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Beavers Headgear

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Hoffman
Vatuvei
Goodwin
Whare
Nightingale

That would be my back 5, Inu pushing Whare hard

Never thought I would have Goodwin there, but defensively he has been awesome this year so has to play, have seen him contain Lyon and Morris well this season which isn't an easy thing to do
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Is Hoffman really a better fullback than Locke (is Hoffman a FG fullback at all...) or is it simply a case of Hoffman having proven himself to be someone who rises to the occasion in tests?
 

Dav0c

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I'd pick Locke over Hoffman going on current form and the fact that he has been playing off Johnson very well.
 

Scott

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Is Hoffman really a better fullback than Locke (is Hoffman a FG fullback at all...) or is it simply a case of Hoffman having proven himself to be someone who rises to the occasion in tests?

I'd have Locke at fullback, but I suspect Kearney will stick with Hoffman. Hoffman has always played well for the Kiwi's despite not being there for the Broncos.

I'd also play Goodwin (left) and Whare (right) in the centres. We always seem to struggle in this position, but these 2 are the obvious choices. If something were to happen, then i'd have Alex Glenn in there. SKD has too many mistakes in him.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Hoffman is back at fullback for the broncos and from what I saw had a great game on Friday night.

As far as I'm aware Broncos fans really don't rate him at all as a fullback though, and that's through 80-odd games over 5 years of watching him. It may just be a couple of loud voices among the fans though, not sure.

Not saying the fan opinion or the coaching decision to play him on the wing for most the season is right, but there's usually something to be gleaned from learning what a team's fans think about their players.
 

Fast Eddie

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I'd be leaning towards Hoffman atm purely just because in the few Tests he's played for us he's been really solid at the back, close to our best performer. Locke will have a great chance to play his way in if we make the finals though.
 

Skram

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As a Manu fanboy I have a bad feeling that Kearney has ample reason to stick to his guns and not pick him. Only thing working in his favour is Nightingale/Perrett/RTS are all right wingers, but I see Kearney picking 2 of that 3 anyway.

What do you mean by this? Haven't the only times Manu's been omitted from Kearney's Kiwis been when he's injured/returning only a week or so before the test?
From what I recall Kearney particularly likes Manu in the side.

Also on the fullback issue I prefer Locke, as he has more ball playing and pre-existing combinations with many of his Kiwi team mates. Hoffman is no slouch though and I can see the argument for him.
 

Fast Eddie

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Yeah only time I can think that Kearney left him out when he was available was the end of season Test last year?
 

Manu Vatuvei

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He was definitely available but just not selected for the end of season 2012 test, despite us being pretty short of options. Think we had Perrett and Beale on the wings.

That was a big call from Kearney who as you say has always been a Manu fan but had evidently gone off him in a big way- determined not to pick him even when other guys like Nightingale were unavailable.

And then I thought Manu was available again for the ANZAC test this year but not picked?
 

Skram

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Yeah the last year thing I neglected to remember as I've wiped 2012 league from my memory.
This year he came back only a round or two before the test after being injured in the first game. Which I think has happened before (with Manu and others) and Kearney's chosen not to select potentially underdone players.
Excepting a huge drop off in form I would assume Kearney will pick Manu given his experience and general awesomeness.
 
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Looks like we'll get a good look at what RTS can do at fullback in the top grade for the next couple of weeks. I'm seriously thinking he could end up at fullback for us at the WC and for the next 10 years.
 
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i see mckendry is close to playing again in the next week or 2. really rate and consider him a must in the proping rotation for the WC

Mckendry
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Matulino
Bromwich
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TheDMC

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Love Sterlo's work and a good article, but he obviously was unaware about Matai's defection...

Peter Sterling: Kiwis will be formidable foes

IN 2008 Benji Marshall provided the magic in guiding New Zealand to an upset World Cup victory over Australia.

At the peak of his powers he was the catalyst to the Kiwis pulling off one of the game's great upsets.

Since then the one burning frustration felt by national coach Tim Sheens and his Kangaroos is that despite their domination of international rugby league they do not carry the "official" title of world champions.

Although they have won just one of 11 Tests against the Aussies since that World Cup, New Zealand maintain the title based on that victory in 2008.

It has been a long wait for redemption for the green and golds but in a few months they will finally get their chance to rectify the situation.

However, while they have proven almost unbeatable in recent years, it seems to me that if they are to capture the World Cup crown at the end of the year in England, they will need to produce their very best.

New Zealand are poised to mount a fierce defence and while it will not be Benji leading the fight, the likes of Sonny, Shaun, Kieran and co. will relish taking on the might of the Australians.

In fact if current form is maintained they will go in with a squad that includes some of the standout players of this year's premiership.

Jared Waerea-Hargreaves has been the competition's most intimidating forward and while he walks a fine line, he is generally controlled aggression. As the spearhead of an outstanding Roosters front six, the front-rower takes great delight in making the early exchanges a personal contest.

He has the best body language of any of the game's forwards and makes it crystal clear that if you run his way, you will be accommodated.

Waerea-Hargreaves' game is up-tempo and that gives his team every opportunity to grab early momentum on the back of his charges.

Kieran Foran has been the competition's most consistent and effective ball-player and despite his relative youth, plays with a remarkable degree of maturity.

He is a pure footballer who plays aggressively without self-preservation, yet has the silky skills to put a teammate away with the deftest of touches.

It was no surprise that in the April Test he was handed the captaincy following the withdrawal of Simon Mannering because he has always played like a leader.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck has been the competition's most elusive ball-runner with a swag of defenders still wondering which way he went.

We have seen many players with great footwork over the years but this young man possesses moves that are unique. Will-o'-the-wisp doesn't do him justice.

He was given a taste of being in the Kiwis squad in Canberra and with another half season under his belt, he will be even more ready for the step up.

Finally there is Sonny Bill Williams who has been the competition's most complete package this year. There was never any doubt that his return to the game would be successful, it was just a matter of to what degree.

Sonny plays with an aura of complete confidence and backs this up with a game that includes power, pace, vision, skill and execution.

However what I find really appealing is the lack of selfishness in his performance, it is all about making it easier for those around him.

Even his quieter games are full of quality.

These players will be surrounded by the strongest group of New Zealand talent that I have seen and the following side would be formidable opposition.

At the back, two speedy youngsters in Josh Hoffman and Kevin Locke will battle for the No.1 jersey.

With Sheck on one wing, Manu Vatuvei monsters his way on to the other.

Selectors could go with the safer option of Jason Nightingale or Sam Perrett but to beat Australia you can't go safe.

Steve Matai at left centre will be at home running off Manly teammate Foran while the Roosters' partnership of Shaun Kenny-Dowall and Sheck would occupy the right.

Foran and Shaun Johnson pick themselves in the halves and while the latter was off his game on the weekend against the Sharks, he has shown this season his sheer speed and footwork will worry any team.

A back-row of Williams, Mannering and Alex Glenn is mobile with a great work ethic.

While a starting front-row of Waerea-Hargreaves, Issac Luke and Ben Matulino is equally impressive and most definitely tough enough.

The real strength of any team is demonstrated by their bench and the Kiwis will have a choice including Frank Pritchard, Kevin Proctor, Elijah Taylor, Tohu Harris, Greg Eastwood, Jessie Bromwich, Sika Manu, Konrad Hurrell, Thomas Leuluai, Sam Kasiano and others I'm sure to have overlooked.

Fourteen teams will contest this year's World Cup but it will be Australia and New Zealand who will contest the final at Old Trafford on November 30.

The winner will be deserved champions and if the Aussies are to reign supreme, coach Sheens will have certainly earned his money.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-formidable-foes/story-fni3fh9n-1226693010826
 

Fast Eddie

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Also Hurrell? Is he confirmed for Kiwis?


Nah, playing for Tonga. And beating England in a semi in England is gonna be tough. We haven't actually beaten them over there since 2005 or something but to be fair we have sent over some pretty injury wrecked teams.
 
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^Nah you wouldn't be. He's close IMO. If he can nail down a spot in that Manly backline it's matter of time for him. Hiku & Ulugia will be good players for us in the future with Simona & RTS also in the backline. The latter 2 will definitely play for us in the WC.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Can't see him making the final squad given his struggles to crack first grade, but Taumalolo signed off his season in fine style today. Is he likely to play for Tonga though? A shame he hasn't kicked on when he was so close to playing the 2012 ANZAC test.
 

Beavers Headgear

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Taumalolo is a weird one, either it is extremely poor coaching or he has a poor attitude

Hiku has good utility value, he didn't miss a beat at centre when filling in there a while back, going to be hard to crack a spot though in that backline
 
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