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Roy

Juniors
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i didnt think we would have a worse 5/8 than rudder, i think we just found one...
 

Nuffy

Bench
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I think the difference between the two was that Rudder knew his limitations and played to them.

For some reason, Kidley seems to think hes a bona fide playmaker and trys to play accordingly.
 

ArturiusX

Juniors
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206
You guys are crazy for thinking Mullen will be ready for full time first grade within the next 2 seasons.

Give Gidley another 2 years then let him go.
 

Gene Krupa

Referee
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What is the point in that?

So hold Mullen back so he can't get the experience he needs from Joey and let Kidley take up valuable cap money?

That's stupid!
 

ArturiusX

Juniors
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206
Mullen's too young to be hitting first grade. There's a lot of facets to playing first grade that get found out very quickly after teams start recongising your name and start reviewing the video tapes.

If done properly, players with extended premier league careers can move on to big things, Thurston from the bulldogs, Orford from the eagles. But sadly, many promising young players are rushed into first grade, with the analogy 'throw them in the deep end and they'll learn to swim'. Its not true, I can name half a dozen players brought up way too soon, the coach knew it, the club bosses knew it, but still they were blooded into full time first grade and most have struggled.

The pressure to perform at first grade is too much for a kid who hasn't proved he's ahead of his time. Give him this season, another, and then start to think about placing him in the squad when he's 21-22. The knights will be a better team for it.
 

strewth_mate

Bench
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Very true ArturiusX, look at people like Anasta and Hunt, other teams tend to figure them out and they struggle to live up to the expectation generated from their 'boom' year. It must be said that even Kidley was very impressive in late 2003/first half of 2004 for mine, dominated a few games with some smart running and had a very dangerous step close to the line, and that was behind a pack most consider to be inferior to the one we currently have as it was full of young rookies that have now grown up. Now look at him, it is very easy to shut him down and it consistently happens.

The problem with Mullen is, we've had a few pretty devastating years and we've been looking to the juniors for some kind of saviour. We see some talent and latch onto it, sometimes putting all the eggs into the one basket; if Mullen doesn't live up to the expectation laid upon him then we'll be in trouble until we find someone else to look towards.

Remember that Kidley was blooded at a time when we really weren't short of talent or form, so in a way he was just a fella we fancied using for the sake of possibly turning him into something special on the back of the rest of the team's success; he wasn't touted as the future of the club as Mullen is now. We didn't need him, as evidenced by us using him in pretty much every position in the backline just so he could be there, otherwise we would have groomed him for a position straight away instead of fooling around with him at fullback.

However, now that we've used Mullen in a few games, and that we're in the precarious position of getting ready for a Johns-less Knights, we feel the need to consolidate his position in the club by putting perhaps higher than normal faith in him and giving him as much game time with Johns to give him the best opportunity to develop into something special for the benefit of the Knights. Especially since other clubs have shown interest in him, which we've solved by signing him long-term. However we still need to keep him happy so right now we're treating him like royalty and pushing for him to be included in the full time run-on team in case he gets discouraged and wants to leave.

I agree that the best time for someone like Mullen to become a full-time first grader is when he's a few years older than now, as we would do in normal circumstances. But given the Johns situation, our recent form, and desperation to keep him wanting to play for us, we're probably disrupting the natural progression of his maturation. The kid is good enough, and I'll believe that until I'm proven wrong, but they really are less than favourable circumstances for him to be in at this stage of his career and we really don't want to damage him for the sake of a quick fix and a sense of security.

The response being: what else can we do?

As an aside, there's also the case of Newcastle's proud history of junior development and success. There's no doubt we all prefer the idea of one of our local boys being a star over a player we have bought from somewhere else (look at the Roosters...), that's been the case for a long time; we pride ourselves on our juniors. It's exciting to watch a young fella's development. I personally am guilty of really wanting a talent like Mullen to debut young, play with us for over a decade at a high level, represent state and country and retire a club stalwart as a credit to the red and blue, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But then I'm forgetting patience.

Basically, I just hope people see Mullen as more than an idea.

(Sorry bout the rant ;-))
 

ArturiusX

Juniors
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206
Mullen may be a great replacement for Johns, but people on this forum seem to think playing 2 years of first grade is the best way to blood a player into a key leadership role.

I disagree, and I'll cite Thurston and hopefully Soward will help me out later on too. A good football game is like building a good racing car. The engine HP sounds good in theory and could win a race or two and get everyone believing, but its the suspension, the gear box, and the build that ultimately gives a car its consistency. The knights should be in no hurry with Mullen, he's nowhere near as good as some other 5"8s/halves at his age, but he has a certain x-factor thats refreshing after watching Kurt Gidley and Steve Witt for a few years.

You'll all be thanking me later, trust me ;)
 

antonius

Coach
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10,104
I have stated elsewhere on this forum that we should have Mullen and Walsh playing together in premier league for the rest of the time we have Johns at the club, Whenever circumstances permit.Meanwhile we play someone like Kidley (if he stays here) or preferably Tighe in first grade with Johns, I don't actually think Mullen will be Johns replacement, I think long term Walsh will be our future number 7, with Mullen at 6. The other option now that Mullen has played some first grade is to play him at 5/8th with Johns, and bring Walsh through in Premier league, and have him train with Johns and Mullen as much as Possible, disruptive to Premeir league yes, but long term good for first grade.
 

benno

Juniors
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214
I can see we're ur commiun from X makes sense too. Thats prob wat Smith will do anyway, he did it with Tim smith so i wouldnt be surprised if he dosent bring mullen up straight away next yr, thus why we'll probably see Morris or someone fill in that space.
If Kurt is testing his value its obvious he isnt very keen on staying.
 

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