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Moffo

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So tonight, I go out with an ex boss and a couple of mates for a beer in the city. Half way through the night, the ex boss tells me that this girl, who i absolutely fell for when i was working with her, told him that she didn't go out with me only because I was too nice. She was absolutely loved being with me the whole time but kept me at arms distance because i was nice.

Thats great hey. Further confirms the idea that nice people get nowhere. Oh well f**k the world
 

raider_ktj

Juniors
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Driver said:
i suggest you go up to the girl and punch her in the face

:lol: Yeh that will show her how nice you really are! All of a sudden you'l be this "nice" guy with a mean streak, it would be a good image for ya!
 

NPK

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For some reason some girls like guys that are not nice...guess they get bored with the nice ones.
 

raider_ktj

Juniors
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NPK said:
For some reason some girls like guys that are not nice...guess they get bored with the nice ones.

It's true, ive been "linked with" this guy for the last year and have only started to really like him in the last two weeks, strangly enough after he started treating me like sh!t! Theres just something about a guy that's going to treat you like crap... Its bad :cry:
 

sunny

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Nice guy syndrome

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Nice Guy Syndrome" is a folk psychology term describing an adult male who seeks intimacy but only finds cordial friendship and platonic love. The term originates from a platitude often heard by such men (e.g. "You're a really nice guy and all, but..."). One explanation for this reaction is that "nice guys" generally do not generate much sexual attraction or romantic desire in women. According to one school of thought, a woman mentally places such a man in her so-called friend zone, from which he may never come back. The point is that sexual attraction is not the same as interpersonal attraction, or in other words, friendship.

The "nice guy" is typically a pleasant, intelligent male, lacking romantic success and with low or misguided romantic confidence. The man may be a very good listener, and perhaps articulate and expressive in how he talks. Such men are often frustrated, if not indignant, about their romantic trouble. Sometimes a female friend may enter into an intimate relationship with a chauvinistic or abusive male, leaving the Nice Guy feeling inadequate. The Nice Guy may also find himself in a "Schrödinger's Date" more often than other men.

One theory, arguably, suggests that women are greatly swayed by confidence and independence in a potential mate, qualities which may supersede intelligence and good character. Clinginess or neediness are seen as highly undesirable, though these traits may foster security and loyalty later in an intimate relationship. Some anecdotal advice suggests that a "nice guy" can break out of the rut by making lifestyle changes which, paradoxically, develop a more outgoing, carefree, and independent personality, allowing him to be sized up more readily as a potential mate than a casual friend.

Another theory is that as a general matter, women enjoy men who make them feel "special," who seem to value them above the rest of the world. As a "nice guy" is generally nice to most people, women may not feel that they are put above the world when interacting with him. The "bar is raised," as it were. Thus, under this theory, the contrast between the way the woman is treated versus the rest of the world may be the critical factor.

It should be pointed out that "nice guy syndrome" currently lacks credible psychological theories describing cause, effect and typical behavior, and even its existence is a point of debate. The concept of love-shyness has been explored in greater depth by psychologists, but is only tangentially related to this syndrome.

Several dating gurus discuss this phenomenon and attempt to offer solutions for it.


Support for the existence of the "Nice Guy" phenomenon?

In No More Mr. Nice Guy, Dr. Robert A. Glover describes the "Nice Guy Syndrome." Glover writes with a slightly masculist perspective from his experience as a therapist. He views the Nice Guy Syndrome as a problem to be cured. Unlike some self-described nice guys, he does not ascribe the supposed female rejection of "nice guys" to poor female taste. He believes "nice guys" to be troubled by depression, low self-esteem, internalized toxic shame, and confusion over roles, and that these issues make "nice guys" less attractive to women.
 

sunny

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Ode to the Nice Guys

This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
 

choc_soldier

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That last post rings so true to me - so many of those situations I have been in.

I'm chasing someone at the moment who who is a really nice girl, appears to like me for who I am, sick of dating assholes, and is giving me the right signals, which I am reciprocating.

Hopefully something comes out of it... :)
 
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NPK said:
For some reason some girls like guys that are not nice...guess they get bored with the nice ones.

Yep and they all bleat about how they wont a nice guy and then they go and get with out and utter germs that you wouldnt piss on if they where on fire.
 
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I think that one of the biggest killers for guys is when they literally talk to much and get into a girls confidence, it took me ages to realise that this wasnt a ticket to her pants but to the dreadful platonic relationship as they relagate you to the friendship basket and all you have to look forward to is hearing what a prick there guy is.
 

Zaphod

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I learnt a long time ago being nice gets you 2 things

- rejected
- under the thumb

The idea of treat em mean keep em keen works so f**king well its unbelievable. You should hear some of the sh*t I tell the women i meet and am with, I may get slapped occasionally but god damn they pay you back twice as hard in bed!
 

bazza

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Moffo said:
So tonight, I go out with an ex boss and a couple of mates for a beer in the city. Half way through the night, the ex boss tells me that this girl, who i absolutely fell for when i was working with her, told him that she didn't go out with me only because I was too nice. She was absolutely loved being with me the whole time but kept me at arms distance because i was nice.

Thats great hey. Further confirms the idea that nice people get nowhere. Oh well f**k the world

"nice" is code for - he's not a total wanker, but I find him too ugly to have sex with
 

Manu Vatuvei

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tbh, women are pretty much subhuman. The idiocy described in this thread is clearly the truth and proves that they do not deserve our respect.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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btw, doesn't the fairly obvious fact that women can't feel romantic attraction to a guy with a nice personality make it factually impossible for "love" to exist? Romantic attraction cannot coincide with an appreciation of character and intelligence, hence a proper male/female "relationship" is basically a logical impossibility due to female instincts

:cool:
 

Azkatro

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I don't think you have to be an arsehole - you just have to make sure she realises, on a sub-conscious level, that you're a goer. That's what I've learned anyway. If you're keen, be her friend but push the flirt thing as well. And when you get to that point where you think you're pushing the barrier, just go a little bit further. You have to be prepared to say the kind of thing that might make her blush. Make her feel sexy and show her that you're keen. My experience has showed that's the difference.
 

Manu Vatuvei

Coach
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Perhaps true Az. Although another school of thought suggests that if you perfect a confident, cocky DISinterest in a girl, she will be more interested in you. You say that you have to prepared to go for it at the vital moment, but I've heard that if you pull back at the vital moment, it makes a gurl want you even more.


btw, all of this bullsh*t amateur psychology is entirely the fault of females, because it's a proven fact (well, an anecdotal/amateur psychologist proven fact, lol) that the male attraction mechanism pretty much works as a logical calculation i.e. of personality x looks. It's the female psyche that makes relationships universally either doomed or successful but f**ked up.
 

Eelementary

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I'm what you'd call 'nice'.

Pay for meals, open the doors, etc.

It's the way I was brought up.

But I have no such issues. The whole 'nice guys finish last' thing doesn't ring true with me.

I guess it's becasue you have to know how to act...I'm what you'd call 'charming'. And without sounding arrogant, the girls I've dated would tell you so too.

It's about being nice, but not to the point of 'wusiness'. For instance, I'm not adverse to teasing my girlfriend, or making fun of her. Not rudely, but as a joke.

And I also make a point of having 'me-time' and 'boys' time'. I can't be available for her 24/7, because it reeks of over-neediness, see?

So there you go - you can be 'nice' and still get the girl.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Eelementary said:
I'm what you'd call 'nice'.

Pay for meals, open the doors, etc.

It's the way I was brought up.

But I have no such issues. The whole 'nice guys finish last' thing doesn't ring true with me.

I guess it's becasue you have to know how to act...I'm what you'd call 'charming'. And without sounding arrogant, the girls I've dated would tell you so too.

It's about being nice, but not to the point of 'wusiness'. For instance, I'm not adverse to teasing my girlfriend, or making fun of her. Not rudely, but as a joke.

And I also make a point of having 'me-time' and 'boys' time'. I can't be available for her 24/7, because it reeks of over-neediness, see?

So there you go - you can be 'nice' and still get the girl.


This is possibly true, and you might be happy with the amount of girls you're getting now, but I suspect that the more you teased and the meaner you acted, the more girls you would get.
 

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