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League is a simple game complicated by people who should know better

GongPanther

Referee
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Phil Gould
9-11 minutes

NRL head of football Graham Annesley has proposed rule changes be considered to reduce the number of contentious calls in matches.

Hallelujah! At last.

Annesley has done a wonderful job since returning to the NRL to alleviate what was nothing short of a refereeing crisis. He still has more to do, but he’s on the right track.

Mind you, I can’t agree with his assessment of the first-half refereeing in the Origin decider. The referees totally got it wrong in this match. To suggest their first-half performance led to the exciting second half treats everyone who is not a referee with disrespect. Nice try, but no one is swallowing that.

Anyway, I got distracted there for a moment. That’s not the point of this column.

Over the past five years, the manner in which refereeing has dominated the spectacle of rugby league has been frustrating to all.

Exactly what motivated or led referees to officiating in this completely overzealous manner is best known to themselves. What is more concerning is the fact that the NRL gave them the latitude to run their own interpretation of the game, without any real understanding of the damage they were actually doing.

It made the game frustrating for fans to watch and for players to play. The fact this mentality was directed down to the refereeing system in lower grades, semi-professional, amateur and even junior league levels created a myriad problems for coaches, players and spectators at all levels.

Anyone who has had to endure the hostility and abuse from spectators towards officials at junior league venues will know exactly what I mean. It’s bad for the young referees and it’s terrible for the kids to hear some of the grown ups on the sideline remonstrating as they do.

The situation for the NRL spiralled totally out of control at the beginning of last season with the ridiculous penalty blitz, before the governing body finally relented and instructed the referees to tone it down.

In the end, the NRL appointed Annesley, himself a former leading referee and administrator, to get the refereeing back on track. He has done a terrific job in his short time back in the role.

In particular, this year the bunker has been brilliant in delivering much quicker decisions. The technology is outstanding and the humans behind the system are definitely improving as they get more comfortable and confident under pressure. Please don’t forget this point. They are always under pressure.

We still go to the bunker too often, especially for things like “possible obstruction”. There should be no such thing as “possible obstruction”. It’s either obvious or it’s not.

If a referee misses something that was a possible obstruction, we can live with it. Sending a possible obstruction to the bunker demands a totally different set of standards and it usually ends in a no try decision for even minor contact. Very frustrating.

This season started well with significantly less penalties, less nitpicking and less of the highly technical rulings in the play-the-ball that leave fans dumbfounded. You know the penalties I mean. The ones where everyone in the crowd goes, “What was that for?”

Annesley had things moving along nicely, until he started to acknowledge a few blatant errors and even dropped a couple of officials for missing vital calls. From that point, some referees have started to return to their old ways.

Referees have to understand that no one expects perfection. No one even expects complete consistency, even though this is often the catch cry of media commentators. The search for perfection is bound to fail, because similar incidents can always be interpreted in different ways. On some rulings there is no black-and-white solution; much of the game is grey.

Many of the significant changes made to the systems and procedures have come about because officials are trying to save the referees from criticism. They don’t want to be caught out missing something, rather than doing what’s right for the game of rugby league.

Anyway, again I apologise for getting sidetracked. Let’s get back to the point.
Annesley has suggested the game look at rule changes to make refereeing easier.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! Finally, someone gets it.

He said: “Some areas of the game are difficult to adjudicate – such as double movements and mid-air knock-ons during contests between opposing players for kicks.”

Annesley suggested that rule changes be considered to make it simpler. “I think we need to spend a fair bit of time on examining our current rules and whether we can actually make the game easier to officiate.”

He gave as an example. “Both players go up for the ball and it becomes a game of millimetres trying to distil whether the ball touches one player's hand and goes into another player's hand and that constitutes a knock-on. There is a case for us to say, 'does that really matter in a contest for the ball?' If two players go up for a ball and someone comes down with the ball, whether it be a defender or an attacker, does it really matter?"

I totally agree.

I particularly liked the question he asked: “Does it really matter?”

Because if officials had taken this attitude 25 years ago, before we had to endure an unprecedented number of rule changes, rule interpretations, new rules, then new rules to cover up for the new rules that were wrong, refereeing procedures, the totally unnecessary introduction of a second referee and all the other rubbish our game has been subjected to, I’m sure things would’ve been very different indeed.

Does it matter? Is it significant? What effect will this rule change have on other aspects of the game? What effect will it have if we DON’T change a rule?

Before changing or introducing a new rule, or interpretation, wait a while and see if the rule change is really necessary in the long term. It used to take ages to change a rule. Now we change them as often as we change our underwear.

There's an important philosophy here: referees need discretion; trust them.

Always consider these questions. Is it a significant breach? Do we need a penalty at this point? Can I let that slide this time?

There were a flurry of first-half penalties in this year's Origin game three.Credit:Dan Himbrechts

Mid-air contests, double movements, possible obstructions, knock-ons and knock-backs, marginal offsides, putting the foot on the ball in the play-the-ball, THE BLOODY STRIPPING RULE, escorts running kick chasers off the ball, forward passes, mid-air tackles: all these things are primarily subjective calls. If we can simplify the rules – with a mentality of “does it really matter?” – we can make life so much easier for the referees and players.

The fans and media types will still complain if a decision goes against their team, but we can’t stop that from happening. The positive is that we can keep the game moving via less stoppages and interjections from the referees.

I’d go further.

We don’t need seven-tackle sets from the 20-metre mark every time a ball goes dead, or for missed field goals, or for the attacking team dropping the ball over the opponent’s goal line, or a defender catching the ball on the full in his own in-goal. Why do you get punished 20 metres of territory and an extra tackle for these events?

We don’t need two referees. Never did. It’s time to give it up. At present, the pesky pocket referee is the one who sends most try referrals to the bunker. You can hear them: “Check this, check that, inside shoulder, outside shoulder, check everything!”

Our game doesn’t need the ridiculous sight of one team packing half a scrum to stop the game clock. It’s amateurish. Stop the clock at the infringement.

Our scrums are embarrassing. We don’t need them any more. They are from a different era.

I don’t think players should have to rake the ball back with their foot in the play-the-ball. This is a throwback to another era. The game is faster and better if we just allow them to roll it back. See the UK Super League. It works well.

James Tedesco has capped off a spectacular team try for the Roosters.

Back to the BLOODY STRIPPING RULE. Giving a team six more tackles because a ball runner gets the ball knocked from his grasp. Saying a ball runner didn’t knock it on because a defender knocked it loose. Saying the defender knocked it on because he forced the ball runner to lose the ball from his grip with a legitimate tackle. Say what? How did we get to this situation?

The fans love players taking quick taps from penalties. Yet the referees seem to panic every time it happens and pull them back. Not on the right mark. The referees weren’t ready. The players weren’t ready. You had a teammate in front of the ball.

That’s the whole bloody idea of the quick tap. No one is ready for it!

Back to Annesley’s words: “Does it really matter?”

Let’s start making rules and interpretations that make the game a better spectacle, rather than some forlorn and flawed objective of just trying to save referees from criticism and allowing technology to run the game.

Maybe you agree or disagree? Let me know your thoughts.

Meanwhile, Graeme Annesley, you are on the right track. Please persevere with this line of thinking, sir.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/le...e-who-should-know-better-20190719-p528tu.html
 

GongPanther

Referee
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Last week I mentioned that the referee's role needed to be simplified. "Just rule on what you see and you be the sole judge of it" is the directive I'd g7ve to the refs.

Only use the bunker for the more serious issues, for example if there is a sending off that is pending.
 

mave

Coach
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13,076
I dont care how they rule, dont even care if it is "right" or " wrong" to the letter of the law.

Consistency is the only thing that matters.

If a player is penalised, then binned, for a late shot on a playmaker on Friday night, then let the same offence carry the same disciplinary action in a match played on the Saturday afternoon. ( as an example).
I understand that we will never be perfect, but there is no reason we cannot have more consistency, over games on the same round, and the season as a whole.

Gould asking for SOO to be reffed differently to a normal NRL game is part of the problem.
 

BadnMean

Juniors
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1,126
I like the way your stance on league being a simple game, which becomes unnecessarily over complicated runs to 17 paragraphs... :thinking:
 

mongoose

Coach
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11,354
so if refs are going to let aerial bobbles go, what if a player puts up a kick and a player jumps up and bats it forward like 10m, is this not going to be called?
 

TheVelourFog

First Grade
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5,061
i agree with everything he said 100%

i would go one step further and have the bunker monitoring play and allowing them to pull the ref up on any blatant errors

otherwise let the refs call it as they see it on the field
 

Saxon

Bench
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2,690
One of the biggest problems in the NRL is media commentators like Gould trying to drive their own agendas.
Gould is a dinosaur who doesn't understand the modern fan, and I can sum it up in one quote from that article;
There's an important philosophy here: referees need discretion; trust them.
What the fans want is consistency, not referees working to some unwritten interpretation of nuances and 'indicators'. If it looks like a duck it's probably a duck, if it doesn't it's probably not. If we wanted games refereed to an infinite degree of minutiae and constant stop-start we'd be watching the SANZAR version of Union.
Another key point of note is that Gould thinks the game should not be refereed 'overzealously'. For someone who has been around the game for so long he seems to have no understanding. Give a coach an inch and he will take a mile. If you don't penalise a player for being an inch offside he will try two inches, then four, then eight and you wind up with the absolute farce we have at the end of close games and golden point where players make no effort to get on side before trying to charge down a field goal attempt.
 

Stallion

First Grade
Messages
7,467
Phil Gould
9-11 minutes

NRL head of football Graham Annesley has proposed rule changes be considered to reduce the number of contentious calls in matches.

Hallelujah! At last.

Annesley has done a wonderful job since returning to the NRL to alleviate what was nothing short of a refereeing crisis. He still has more to do, but he’s on the right track.

Mind you, I can’t agree with his assessment of the first-half refereeing in the Origin decider. The referees totally got it wrong in this match. To suggest their first-half performance led to the exciting second half treats everyone who is not a referee with disrespect. Nice try, but no one is swallowing that.

Anyway, I got distracted there for a moment. That’s not the point of this column.

Over the past five years, the manner in which refereeing has dominated the spectacle of rugby league has been frustrating to all.

Exactly what motivated or led referees to officiating in this completely overzealous manner is best known to themselves. What is more concerning is the fact that the NRL gave them the latitude to run their own interpretation of the game, without any real understanding of the damage they were actually doing.

It made the game frustrating for fans to watch and for players to play. The fact this mentality was directed down to the refereeing system in lower grades, semi-professional, amateur and even junior league levels created a myriad problems for coaches, players and spectators at all levels.

Anyone who has had to endure the hostility and abuse from spectators towards officials at junior league venues will know exactly what I mean. It’s bad for the young referees and it’s terrible for the kids to hear some of the grown ups on the sideline remonstrating as they do.

The situation for the NRL spiralled totally out of control at the beginning of last season with the ridiculous penalty blitz, before the governing body finally relented and instructed the referees to tone it down.

In the end, the NRL appointed Annesley, himself a former leading referee and administrator, to get the refereeing back on track. He has done a terrific job in his short time back in the role.

In particular, this year the bunker has been brilliant in delivering much quicker decisions. The technology is outstanding and the humans behind the system are definitely improving as they get more comfortable and confident under pressure. Please don’t forget this point. They are always under pressure.

We still go to the bunker too often, especially for things like “possible obstruction”. There should be no such thing as “possible obstruction”. It’s either obvious or it’s not.

If a referee misses something that was a possible obstruction, we can live with it. Sending a possible obstruction to the bunker demands a totally different set of standards and it usually ends in a no try decision for even minor contact. Very frustrating.

This season started well with significantly less penalties, less nitpicking and less of the highly technical rulings in the play-the-ball that leave fans dumbfounded. You know the penalties I mean. The ones where everyone in the crowd goes, “What was that for?”

Annesley had things moving along nicely, until he started to acknowledge a few blatant errors and even dropped a couple of officials for missing vital calls. From that point, some referees have started to return to their old ways.

Referees have to understand that no one expects perfection. No one even expects complete consistency, even though this is often the catch cry of media commentators. The search for perfection is bound to fail, because similar incidents can always be interpreted in different ways. On some rulings there is no black-and-white solution; much of the game is grey.

Many of the significant changes made to the systems and procedures have come about because officials are trying to save the referees from criticism. They don’t want to be caught out missing something, rather than doing what’s right for the game of rugby league.

Anyway, again I apologise for getting sidetracked. Let’s get back to the point.
Annesley has suggested the game look at rule changes to make refereeing easier.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! Finally, someone gets it.

He said: “Some areas of the game are difficult to adjudicate – such as double movements and mid-air knock-ons during contests between opposing players for kicks.”

Annesley suggested that rule changes be considered to make it simpler. “I think we need to spend a fair bit of time on examining our current rules and whether we can actually make the game easier to officiate.”

He gave as an example. “Both players go up for the ball and it becomes a game of millimetres trying to distil whether the ball touches one player's hand and goes into another player's hand and that constitutes a knock-on. There is a case for us to say, 'does that really matter in a contest for the ball?' If two players go up for a ball and someone comes down with the ball, whether it be a defender or an attacker, does it really matter?"

I totally agree.

I particularly liked the question he asked: “Does it really matter?”

Because if officials had taken this attitude 25 years ago, before we had to endure an unprecedented number of rule changes, rule interpretations, new rules, then new rules to cover up for the new rules that were wrong, refereeing procedures, the totally unnecessary introduction of a second referee and all the other rubbish our game has been subjected to, I’m sure things would’ve been very different indeed.

Does it matter? Is it significant? What effect will this rule change have on other aspects of the game? What effect will it have if we DON’T change a rule?

Before changing or introducing a new rule, or interpretation, wait a while and see if the rule change is really necessary in the long term. It used to take ages to change a rule. Now we change them as often as we change our underwear.

There's an important philosophy here: referees need discretion; trust them.

Always consider these questions. Is it a significant breach? Do we need a penalty at this point? Can I let that slide this time?

There were a flurry of first-half penalties in this year's Origin game three.Credit:Dan Himbrechts

Mid-air contests, double movements, possible obstructions, knock-ons and knock-backs, marginal offsides, putting the foot on the ball in the play-the-ball, THE BLOODY STRIPPING RULE, escorts running kick chasers off the ball, forward passes, mid-air tackles: all these things are primarily subjective calls. If we can simplify the rules – with a mentality of “does it really matter?” – we can make life so much easier for the referees and players.

The fans and media types will still complain if a decision goes against their team, but we can’t stop that from happening. The positive is that we can keep the game moving via less stoppages and interjections from the referees.

I’d go further.

We don’t need seven-tackle sets from the 20-metre mark every time a ball goes dead, or for missed field goals, or for the attacking team dropping the ball over the opponent’s goal line, or a defender catching the ball on the full in his own in-goal. Why do you get punished 20 metres of territory and an extra tackle for these events?

We don’t need two referees. Never did. It’s time to give it up. At present, the pesky pocket referee is the one who sends most try referrals to the bunker. You can hear them: “Check this, check that, inside shoulder, outside shoulder, check everything!”

Our game doesn’t need the ridiculous sight of one team packing half a scrum to stop the game clock. It’s amateurish. Stop the clock at the infringement.

Our scrums are embarrassing. We don’t need them any more. They are from a different era.

I don’t think players should have to rake the ball back with their foot in the play-the-ball. This is a throwback to another era. The game is faster and better if we just allow them to roll it back. See the UK Super League. It works well.

James Tedesco has capped off a spectacular team try for the Roosters.

Back to the BLOODY STRIPPING RULE. Giving a team six more tackles because a ball runner gets the ball knocked from his grasp. Saying a ball runner didn’t knock it on because a defender knocked it loose. Saying the defender knocked it on because he forced the ball runner to lose the ball from his grip with a legitimate tackle. Say what? How did we get to this situation?

The fans love players taking quick taps from penalties. Yet the referees seem to panic every time it happens and pull them back. Not on the right mark. The referees weren’t ready. The players weren’t ready. You had a teammate in front of the ball.

That’s the whole bloody idea of the quick tap. No one is ready for it!

Back to Annesley’s words: “Does it really matter?”

Let’s start making rules and interpretations that make the game a better spectacle, rather than some forlorn and flawed objective of just trying to save referees from criticism and allowing technology to run the game.

Maybe you agree or disagree? Let me know your thoughts.

Meanwhile, Graeme Annesley, you are on the right track. Please persevere with this line of thinking, sir.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/le...e-who-should-know-better-20190719-p528tu.html

Valid thrust/comments about game flow. But you lost me as soon as you derided scrums (very important tactically : 7 on 7 etc) and the fundamental play the ball with the foot (which is a discipline and skill ).
 

gerg

Juniors
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2,282
no you goose

Goose indeed... A knock on is still a knock on whether it's a bobble or a 10 metre knock on.

Gould wondering how we got here? You and your media mates Gus. Whinging about wrong decisions in slow motion. And if he got his wish here he would be the loudest complainer when a decision is wrong in a finals game.
I thought the penalty crackdown last year was starting to see some real improvement in the game.
 

Stallion

First Grade
Messages
7,467
Hey that would bring it inline with touch football which is what you want!

Nope. The play the ball with the foot is a distinct rugby-league discipline and skill. Ridding the code of that discipline just weakens it's authenticity and respect on and off the playing field. That's been done to later day touch !
 

T-Boon

Coach
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15,325
Gould is one of those guys who needs to donate his brain to science.
Firstly he seems to say in his article that refereeing got bad (or the criticism that it is bad) 5 years ago. What? The two ref system was brought in 10 years ago as a solution to all the bitching about refs.
Secondly he bitches about all the rule changes then goes on to suggest 4 or 5 of his own (some of which are pretty good ideas).
The problem is the coaches and the commentators/broadcast not the refs.
One solution to ref whinging is make penalties worth less (eg instead of a new set of 6 and a kick for touch you should just get a new set of 6 or a kick for touch the captain can decide which).
 

unforgiven

Bench
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3,138
Nope. The play the ball with the foot is a distinct rugby-league discipline and skill. Ridding the code of that discipline just weakens it's authenticity and respect on and off the playing field. That's been done to later day touch !
lol
 

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