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League may ban Thomas

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By DAMIAN BARRETT
18aug05

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Ego is a dirty word
IN AN unprecedented threat, the AFL has left open the possibility of suspending St Kilda coach Grant Thomas for his criticism of umpires.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou yesterday announced Thomas' comments would be dealt with under Player Rules -- not established penalties that apply for umpire criticism -- which allow "conduct unbecoming" actions to be sent to the tribunal. Demetriou said yesterday that the AFL's football operations manager Adrian Anderson would use his discretion under Rule 1.6 to impose potentially severe monetary or tribunal sanctions.

"I think he is in strife," Demetriou said.

He said umpires had been unfairly criticised by Thomas, who, among many observations of the game's on-field adjudicators, said they should "put their ego in the locker when they start their career and pick it up when they finish their career".

"I thought it was pretty poor and unacceptable, and I thought it was demeaning to umpires and it was not necessary," Demetriou said.

Thomas' comments came after recent criticism of umpires by fellow coaches Mick Malthouse, Dean Laidley and Rodney Eade.

AFL Coaches Association chief executive Peter Allen sent a memo to all coaches yesterday telling them to refrain from making any public statements on umpires.

Allen said he was seeking "urgent clarification" from the AFL on the scope allowed for comment.

"What has happened is there has been frustration and anger at a very, very confusing situation," Allen said.

It is understood the AFL is viewing Thomas' outburst, made at a press conference on Tuesday, more severely than it did Essendon's James Hird, who last year fined himself $20,000 for criticising umpires.

Thomas would not comment when alerted by the Herald Sun to the AFL's stance but, as part of a prepared statement from the Saints last night, said he meant no harm.

"My comments were in no way meant to be interpreted as a personal attack on umpires or umpiring in general," he said.

"They were in answer to a series of questions. If my comments have offended any individual or group I sincerely apologise."

St Kilda chief executive Jim Watts said at the start of the season that coaches had been given more latitude to comment on umpires.

Anderson said last night he may not complete his investigation of the Thomas matter until next week.

Under the set penalties for criticism of umpires, offenders can be penalised with a maximum $5000 fine.

Demetriou said the AFL would not tolerate criticism of umpires and added that its system of set penalties was being reviewed.

"I have no doubt we won't be going backwards in the sanctions and we won't be going backwards in our policy of zero tolerance," he said.

"We asked the players a couple of weeks ago to adhere to zero tolerance (on umpire abuse) and they do, and they have.

"The least we can expect is for others in the industry to do the same."

A recent report into umpiring by leading Adelaide football official Bill Sanders has made the AFL aware that criticism at the game's elite level was detrimental to lower grades.

"What we do at senior level has significant impact and flows through to state leagues and our junior leagues and we certainly won't be tolerating criticism of our umpires," Demetriou said.
 
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The AFL is now becoming a joke off the field rather that on it.

There must be some way these learned critically important members of the game can give their side of an issues that is clearly going out of control.

Yep ban him Andrew.

Thomas is an idiot for saying what he did but Go for it Andrew out perform him in studipity.
:roll:
 

CyberKev

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He won't be banned. I'd expect him to get a Hird type $20k fine with associated publicity work to be done with/for the umps.

I can see why the AFL doesn't want these sort of comments going public from key figures, but I still maintain that much angst about umpires stems from the AFL being overly protective of them.

Let umpires have press conferences after matches also, as this enables them to explain their decision making and will give them a human face.
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
Let umpires have press conferences after matches also, as this enables them to explain their decision making and will give them a human face.

You mean get them to sit there and explain why rat #1 has a different interpretation of the rulebook to rat #2 who in turn has an altogether again different interpretation of the rule book that rat #3 has? :shock: [-o<

Not going to happen I'm afraid. #-o

Thomas is a tool & with Blighty still in charge of St Kilda they would have won last years premiership and be virtually invincible now with Kosi finally coming on... But i did agree with his comments, maybe the AFL should try being honest about the performance of these morons rather than bringing down the dictatorial stick every time someone screams in frustration.
 
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CyberKev said:
He won't be banned. I'd expect him to get a Hird type $20k fine with associated publicity work to be done with/for the umps.

I can see why the AFL doesn't want these sort of comments going public from key figures, but I still maintain that much angst about umpires stems from the AFL being overly protective of them.

Let umpires have press conferences after matches also, as this enables them to explain their decision making and will give them a human face.

Christ i hope not. :D

Coaches should be able to have a little winge match day or the next. To get rid of a bit of tention.

Since the AFL is so over protective reporters are now able to bait these frustrated coaches an get 3 or 4 stories out of a single one.
 

camsmith

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What James Hird said about the umps and what Thomas said are worlds apart, James got fined.. so im sure Grant Thomas wont get anything more severe than a fine.

Pity its taking them two weeks to actually give it too him..
 

meltiger

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camsmith said:
um...

lol i have no idea? wtf i dont even remember posting that.

!!??

11:26 on a Friday night... Maybe a few too many end of week celebratory beverages ;-)
 

CyberKev

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LOL @ Cammers getting all de durp, de durp, de durp on the turps and letting rip with a Jessica Simpson special...

I think if Cammers & Craig got together behind the posts at the Richmond end they'd be totally indistinguishable from B1 & B2...

Just as you can't pick your friends, the Tigers can't really choose their members :badgrin:
 

CyberKev

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CyberKev said:
LOL @ Cammers getting all de durp, de durp, de durp on the turps and letting rip with a Jessica Simpson special...

I think if Cammers & Craig got together behind the posts at the Richmond end they'd be totally indistinguishable from B1 & B2...

Just as you can't pick your friends, the Tigers can't really choose their members :badgrin:

wtf...

I don't remember posting this???!!!
 

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