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Learning Guitar

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carcharias said:
Doesn't Hevy Devon just want to learn to play a few songs ?

If so scales are as useful as tits on a bull....not to mention mind numbingly boring.

Learn the chords first Dev you will stay interested .

I don't know exactly whay Hevy Devon wants to learn, but the title of this thread is learning guitar so I am giving my advise on the best way to go about this.

I also assume that Hevy Devon Likes Heavy Music. He won't get far playing heavy metal solos without practicing scales.
 

carcharias

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waltzing Meninga said:
I don't know exactly whay Hevy Devon wants to learn, but the title of this thread is learning guitar so I am giving my advise on the best way to go about this.

I also assume that Hevy Devon Likes Heavy Music. He won't get far playing heavy metal solos without practicing scales.

DEV WROTE:
Anyway, I decided about two months ago to learn guitar given that I can no longer drum often enough where I live (or the neighbours will kill me).

So does anyone know any fairly basic songs I could use as practice and where I would find the tablature

2 Months.

Guitar is hard enough to get your head around without it being boring as well.

Learn a couple of songs to get used to the chord changes first.
House of the rising sun is a standard which has the F in it.

The church's "Almost with you" and "Under the milky way " are a couple of other ones that are instantly recognisable when played.
 
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carcharias said:
DEV WROTE:


2 Months.

Guitar is hard enough to get your head around without it being boring as well.

Learn a couple of songs to get used to the chord changes first.
House of the rising sun is a standard which has the F in it.

The church's "Almost with you" and "Under the milky way " are a couple of other ones that are instantly recognisable when played.

I think you would need to check with him if he would like to become a good player or just play a few basic songs and stop there. If he just wants to play a few basic songs for the rest of his life then your method is effective for this.

If he wishes to develop his playing and become a good player then your method is not so effective.

You say playing scales is boring, but there are ways to make playiong them interesting.

you have to put in hard yards to be good at anything. Its like training for a sport. If you just train for a footy game by playing muck around touch footy every session then you are not going to develop much as a player or a team. You need to get into the nitty gritty like ball work and set plays etc. Same goes for guitar or any musical instrument
 
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But what if he just want to use some basic songs to start developing his playing. How do you know he has no aspirations to become good?
 

HevyDevy

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Sorry, I've been flat out while you two have been arguing about me :lol:

The answer is this - yes I want to become good. Yes I'm happy to play scales.

But it would be good to know a few basic songs so I can feel like I'm making progress.

It's something I've wanted to do for a long time so I won 't be doing it half-arsed
 

fosie

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I started at the beginning of the year learning notes and chords and then got stuck. I didn't know what to do afterwards so went to get a teacher. Having someone for guidance and showing you correct technique always helps.
 

Bomber

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Hello mate

I've also learned to play the guitar by myself....albeit with some very early lessons from the age of 8. I didn't pick it up again until I was 20.

The best I can offer you is a very, very easy (and bastardised) way of learning how to play all the chords by just using your three lowest notes i.e. E, A, D.

As you may know, the progression of notes on the E-string is as such:

E F F# G G# A A# B C C# D D# E
(Note - F# is the same as Gb, etc etc etc)

To play an E chord, simply leave the E string open and place your fingers on the second fret of the A and D string to make the notes B and E. To play an F chord, put your fingers on the first fret of the E string and the third fret of the A and D string to make the notes F, C, F.

Basically, for each chord that you want to play, make sure that you put your finger on that note on the E string, and on the next two strings place the fingers two frets higher. I usually use my 2nd finger (next to my thumb) to cover the E-string and use my 4th finger to cover both of the other strings.

You can use these strings to play a major or minor chord, as the decisive note in each chord (i.e. F# in a D major chord, F in a D minor chord) is not played.

Probably the best advice I can give is to never give up, and muck around with your favourite music and play along to the CD. That's how I learnt 95% of my current technique....

I don't think I've explained it really well, but give it a go and see if that helps somewhat. They're not as good as the real chords but for people such as me who are definately not guitar heroes, they'll do.

Some songs that I can think of off the top of my head that would be easy for a beginner to play along with. I'm not sure about the actual chords that they play in the song but will try to give you chords that would be easy for you to play.

Ballad of John and Yoko (The Beatles)
Dead easy!
The verse is just one note - G
The chorus ("Christ, you know it ain't easy" etc) - C G D G

With or Without You (U2)
The same four chords over and over and over:
C G Am F
An outstanding example of how a song can be a classic without 49382 chords and melody changes!

Beds Are Burning (Midnight Oil)
Their songs are usually as complex as their politics. Not this one:

Verse ("Out where the river broke" etc) - E
Chord for "Let's give it back" - F#
Signature Rift - E G A (percussion solo)
Chorus ("How can we dance") - Em C G G Em C D D (repeated)

Note the key change from E major in the verse to G major in the chorus. ;-)

Khe Sahn (Cold Chisel)
A tune in every pub band's songlist!
Basically the same repeating chord progression (except for the little piano ditty at the start). The progressions can be divided into Part 1 and Part 2 (more about this below)

1.
Em C G G
Em C D D
Em C G C
Am F D D

2.
Em C G G
Em C D D
Em C G C
Am D G G

This is how the two different 'blocs' of chords work in the song. I'll just use the first line of each verse to give you an idea:

1. I left my heart to the sappers round Khe Sahn....
2. About the long forgotten dockside guarantee....
1. She like so many more from that time on.....
2. And the legal pads were yellow, hours long, paypackets lean....
1. So I worked across the country from end to end....
2. And I've travelled around the world from year to year....
1. Guitar/Organ solo #1
2. Guitar/Organ solo #2
1. The last plane out of Sydney... #1
2. The last plane out of Sydney... #2
2. The last plane out of Sydney... #3

GOOD LUCK!
 

HevyDevy

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Cheers mate, very helpful

Waltzing, I'm a LONG way off playing what I listen to.

But it can be anything from Dream Theater or Devin Townsend to Opeth, Morbid Angel or My Dying Bride.

But also:
Alice in Chains
Van Halen
Steve Vai
Faith No More
Immortal
Jane's Addiction
Led Zeppelin
Amon Amarth
Amorphis
Bathory
Iron Maiden
Queensryche
Sting
Dave Mathews Band
Miles Davis
Hundreds of others too obviously

You get the idea - based in metal and heavy rock with some jazz influences thrown in would be the best way to describe it. Some of it has basic riffs, the rest is quite complex I guess. I don't expect to be playing Vai or Van Halen for a while yet ... :lol:
 
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HevyDevy said:
Cheers mate, very helpful

Waltzing, I'm a LONG way off playing what I listen to.

But it can be anything from Dream Theater or Devin Townsend to Opeth, Morbid Angel or My Dying Bride.

But also:
Alice in Chains
Van Halen
Steve Vai
Faith No More
Immortal
Jane's Addiction
Led Zeppelin
Amon Amarth
Amorphis
Bathory
Iron Maiden
Queensryche
Sting
Dave Mathews Band
Miles Davis
Hundreds of others too obviously

You get the idea - based in metal and heavy rock with some jazz influences thrown in would be the best way to describe it. Some of it has basic riffs, the rest is quite complex I guess. I don't expect to be playing Vai or Van Halen for a while yet ... :lol:

Iron Maiden is not a bad place to start. Seeing as they are one of the founders of heavy music, a lot of their techniques are still emulated today by bands like Opeth and Dream Theatre. The song "Children of the Damned" is quite simple - even if you just try and learn the intro. I would probably recomend you get the tab for it first. go to www.mysongbook.com There you can also download guitar Pro which you will find very usefull if you are learning by Tab.

Faith no More also have some good simple rythm riffs that you can master. Try Diggning the Grave. Its just based on a couple of simple power chrods.
 

carcharias

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hey Dev here is a little riff you can play if you want.
It's the opening riff from Wolfmothers "White Unicorn"
D chord is the only shape you need.
Start on the 14 fret and it goes like this
14 - 12 - 7 - 9 - 2 ( they are the fret numbers) listen to the song to get the feel.

Their stuff is very simple, a lot of it is played on one string.
 

Misty Bee

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Start with music that you like. There are a thousand references in rock music, but it all comes down to enjoyment.

To properly learn guitar, you need to remember that there are 2 facets: chords (for accompanyment) and individual notes. Both are 2 different animals.

I learned basic chords first. I was young (8), so my teacher allowed me to jam at home on C, F and G. Before long, however, I was learning notes.

Guitar is easy to play - but bloody hard to get the concept initially - the formation of the fingers is tha hard bit. Get that right and you are off.

Most of my stuff I leaned to play by ear. I could tell you what I listened too, but in essence ift was what I thought was hip at the time. And that's the secret. Learn what YOU want to learn.

another tip - jam. I've seen guitar wizards who can emulate Satriani, but have never jammed, so can't learn the art of timing, synchronisation etc. Far better is the bloke who struggles to nail the chords, but understands hopw tolink with the bass, the drummer (the instrument I used to play off when I gigged), keys and vocals.
 

Chondricthyes

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I've been playing for a while and one thing I'd suggest is to not neglect your right hand (steady lads).

Dylan played very basic 3 or 4 chords but was a genius with his right hand.
 

SP

Bench
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Glycerine by Bush is a fairly easy song to play (its the only song that isnt mine i can play good :lol:)
 

Munky

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I'm learning as well.

I learnt the four notes from Smoke on the Water and do a good version on the lowest E string (which sounds really funny) but can never do it properley on the top E string.

The second part where you go from the 6th fret to the 5th fret quickly buggers me up every time. I just don't have the strength in my pinky to do it, does this come naturally once you've been playing for a while?

My mate reckons you can move your left hand (so only three fingers are used) but I read doing that is bad technique and will really bugger you up later on.
 

fosie

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I need abit of help here. I was playing Em7 chord today ( 022033) and saw that my wrist was really bent sideways and i thought it was abit unusual. Does anyone else have this?
 

carcharias

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fosie said:
I need abit of help here. I was playing Em7 chord today ( 022033) and saw that my wrist was really bent sideways and i thought it was abit unusual. Does anyone else have this?
You can play it a few ways, Em7 is E B D G.


020000 or 020040 or 022040 or 0x5430 plus the barre chord but worry about that one later.


I just edited this post.... I fugged up.
 
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fosie said:
I need abit of help here. I was playing Em7 chord today ( 022033) and saw that my wrist was really bent sideways and i thought it was abit unusual. Does anyone else have this?

I would say your pinky and 4th finger are not strong enough yet. Keep practicing and it will get better
 

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