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Lennox Lewis

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sato_jones said:
Is expected to announce his retirement tommorow morning in London.. Lets see if this eventuates

I hope he keeps fighting, although I guess the smart move would be to retire. If he does, it would be interesting (although unlikely) if they had another 8 man elimination tournament to decide the champion. Who would you have in it?
 

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The division is so poor in my opinion that at the moment you would be hard pressed to find 8 worthy contenders..
 

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You are right, I dont think there are 8 contenders, mostly because noone will fight anyone. I think if they fought regularly, you would get some half decent fights.

I guess if i was making the tournament it would include something like:

1. Chris Byrd - He is a world Champion and probably deserves a shot.

2. Roy Jones JR - Another World Champion (just barely) he would be interesting to see how he goes.

3. Vitali Klitchsko - He gave Lewis a decent run last time, and hasnt really lost any other fights. He deserves a shot.

4. Mike Tyson - He is shot, but he lasted quite a while with Lennox and did knockout Ettiene in a round. He is probably one of the best 8 boxers in the game.

5. Corrie Sanders - Has done little, but he beat Vlad Klitchsko so he probably should get a go.

6. James Toney - Assuming he recovers, he deserves a go at the title for beating Holyfield even if Holyfield was shot.

7. Ruiz - He does have some decent wins over top boxers which is more than most of the others can say, although the jones performance was pitiful. The Rahman victory has earned his shot .

8. Gomez - None of the young brigade seem to want to fight anyone. He is a former World champ who beat Sinan Samil Sam who was undefeated and was gaining on top 10 status.


The 8th place is most contentious. Tua, Mesi, Guinn, Harrison, Rahman, Klitchsko could all qualify but none are any good. All in all, the more i think about it, the more i hope that Lewis keeps fighting.
 

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Jones would be the only exciting one to watch but would get KO's by and decent heavyweight (ruiz is not this).. Otherwise it would bore the crap out of me..The americans would lap it up though !!!
 

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An Open Letter by Lennox Lewis

06.02.04 - By Lennox Lewis:

I am announcing the end of an important chapter of my life and the beginning of a new one.

June 21, 2003, was my last fight as a professional boxer. When I began boxing at the Kitchener-Waterloo Regional Boxing Association in Kitchener, Ontario, I set out on a mission. What started as a teenager’s dream to become heavyweight champion quickly became my life’s passion and career thus far, During the past twenty-three years, I have set a number of goals for myself and I’m proud to say that these goals have been achieved. Now I am ready to set new goals and start a new career for myself outside of the ring.

I’ve tried to be a good champion and believe that I’ve practiced my trade in a manner befitting a sport that I call “the sweet science.” I experienced some wonderful victories. And I learned that defeat, properly handled, makes a person stronger.

I’m proud to have returned the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world to England, a nation with a historic boxing tradition, and to have been the first heavyweight champion from England since Bob Fitzsimmons more than a century ago.

I am particularly pleased to be stepping down while still the reigning lineal heavyweight champion. Only two other men, Gene Tunney and Rocky Marciano, have retired as champion and stayed retired. I promise you, I will be the third.

Deciding to end my career as a professional boxer was not an easy decision to make. I’ve been offered millions of dollars to fight again, which is all the more tempting because I believe that there are more championship-quality fights in me. In many ways, continuing to fight would be the easiest course of action. That said, I am mindful of what happens to fighters in and out of the ring as they age. I believe that, without being able to devote the same energy, passion, and desire to boxing that I felt from the start, I should not enter the ring again.

Time and experience often give birth to a re-examination of values and a refocusing of perspective. Being champion for as long as I have has allowed me the luxury of learning on the job. One of the first things I learned was that being heavyweight champion is a role that carries with it responsibilities that go far beyond the ring. As a competitor, as a professional, and as a human being, I have tried to do my best to fulfill these responsibilities. I’ve tried to treat people with respect. I’ve tried to demonstrate the importance of hard work and sacrifice in achieving goals, I have lived by the code that, if a job is worth doing, it should be done properly.

Now, in retiring, I hope to transmit the message, particularly to young people, that the fundamental character traits of integrity, discipline, and respect translate into a reward worth more than any purse.

I am proud that I have the luxury of ending my career on my own terms. This should serve as a real-life example for other boxers and professional athletes. Boxers, like all athletes, must realize how important it is for them to understand every aspect of the business dealings that surround them.

I am excited about the future of boxing. I know Vitali Klitschko is disappointed that we won’t be facing each other in the ring again. But the challenge before him now is the same challenge that I faced years ago; to become the best heavyweight of his generation. I look forward to watching Vitali, Corrie Sanders, and other boxers compete for that honour.

This is a time of reflection for me, but also a time of gratitude. A champion is not made in isolation. I owe so much to my Team which has been led for many years by my Mum, Violet Blake. One lesson she taught me is that it is easy to be around when everything is going well, but that true loyalty and love are expressed and revealed during hard times. The lessons I learned from her have served me well over the years and kept me grounded. And my respect for her has continued to grow as I’ve matured and come to understand the sacrifices she made to help me.

I’m also fortunate to have been surrounded by an amazing group of people; many of whom put their own lives and the lives of their families on hold to help make me a better person and a better boxer through their loyalty, encouragement, and support.

Courtney Shand, my physical conditioner, has been my friend since I was fifteen years old. His total honesty and attention to the smallest details have been invaluable to me.

Prince Osei Poku, Patrick Drayton, Egerton Marcus, Ron Hepburn, Scott DeMercado, Kojo Amoafo, Joe Dunbar, Leigh McGinniss, and Dennis Lewis – all members of Team Lewis –were voices in my head that made me run a little further, bike a little faster, play chess a little better, and punch a little harder.

Arnie Boehm bought me my first headgear and gloves and, with Jerome “Hook” McComb, began the task of training me at the Kitchener-Waterloo Regional Boxing Association when I was fifteen years old. Then I earned the right to represent my adoptive country of Canada at the 1984 and 1988 Summer Olympic Games and was fortunate to have the guidance of Adrian Teodorescu as my coach.

Emanuel Steward did as much for me as any trainer ever did for a boxer. There were times when Manny believed in me more than I believed in myself. It took his insight and clear coaching style to improve on my raw abilities. I’m proud that our names will be linked forever.

Harold Knight is the left hand to Manny’s right and provided a different perspective that proved invaluable and instrumental in my becoming an even better boxer.

Adrian Ogun, Jerome Andersen and my management company, Sport Entertainment & Media Group, have offered important business guidance. And in addition to the members of Team Lewis whom I have highlighted here, there are many more people, who worked behind the scenes on my behalf and in support of my success.

Like many champions, I’ve had my disagreements with the press. But more often than not, members of the media have returned to me the respect that I tried to extend to them. I thank the press for understanding that, while our careers have been linked, I’m the one who had to be responsible for, and live with, the decisions I made and that I’ve always had a life apart from what I did in the ring. Thank you for supporting me while I became heavyweight champion on my own terms.

Thank you to HBO for supporting me throughout my career.

There are many more people I’m indebted to; and I will be thanking you all personally in the days, months, and years ahead. But I want to say “thank you” now to the people of England, where I was born; to the people of Canada, where I was raised and nurtured, who gave me the honour of representing them in the Olympic Games; to the people of Jamaica, my ancestral home; to the people of the United States, who welcomed me to their shores; and to all of the other fans who wished me well from around the world. In difficult times, I was inspired by their faith in me.

A special thank you to each of the men I’ve fought. That includes boxers like Ray Mercer, Evander Holyfield, and Mike Tyson, who brought out the best in me in the defining fights of my career. And thank you also to all the other men who entered the ring to exchange blows with me. They are part of my story and their names will go down in history in the record book next to mine.

Thank you to all the people who fight an uphill battle against heavy odds to make professional sports a better fairer business. Too often, athletes are financially exploited by managers and promoters and victimized by the corruption that pervades their sport. Boxing needs more people with a commitment to the highest ethical standards. This is why I have decided to accept a Director position with Sport Entertainment & Media Group, my management company. Having been in the sport for much of my life, I think it’s important that I share my knowledge with young and experienced athletes.

I am proud to have been recognized as the best heavyweight of my time; a distinction which links me with great boxers like Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes. While I may be retiring from the ring, I will do my best to continue to live my life as a champion.

I’m still a young man. Many exciting experiences await me. I look forward to seeing all of you in the months and years ahead. It is an honour to have been your heavyweight champion of the world.

Let the new era begin,
Lennox Lewis

Source: EastSideBoxing
 

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I'm not certain if L. Lewis did infact write this in his own words -- I'm sure there was editing and whatnot involved -- but it's certainly a well written and articulate good bye letter.....


.....that's why I'm doubtful as to whether he did write it :lol:

On a serious note, I've never ben a huge fan of L. Lewis and his style in and out of the ring, but he has been a formidable HW champion for several years.

True?
 

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Lennox was guilty of being the best of his generation by a pretty long stretch. Its not his fault the rest of the heavyweight division was made up of mostly average fighters.
Its a shame he wont fight Klitschko again, but the guy is 38. He's proven himself time & time again, so if he wants to go out as a champion, good for him. Many others should have done the same. Despite what some people seem to think, he's a pretty articulate, intelligent guy.

I agree with you about the heavyweight div. Sato_jones. In some ways Lewis retiring & Jones looking to go down in weight could be a blessing, because the big money fights against those guys wont be there. Hopefully that'll mean fewer politics behind the scenes & genuine contenders having to fight other genuine contenders to establish the cream(such that it is). Surely, in time, things can only improve.
 

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Auckland4ever said:
Lennox was guilty of being the best of his generation by a pretty long stretch.

What exactly does that mean?

Lewis certainly wasn't the best heavyweight of the 90's. Far from it.
 

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I will respond to Lennox Legacy when i get more time.

He is very hard to rank in the all time stakes. In some ways, he could be at number one. Yet in others he would not make the top 10. Same goes with his best of the 90s/00s. I think you need at least a couple of years to evaluate him. And i actually think that he will probably come out of retirement in a year or two anyway, which will give him a chance to add to his career but which might also detract from his legacy.

One interesting thought I had though, 100 years ago, we are told by many that Jack Johnson threw fights, Jack Dempsey threw fights, even Sonny Liston threw fights. What if in 100 years they say that Lennox Lewis threw his two fights. Looking at his record, it is actually makes some sort of sense, since he has shown on different occassions that he can actually soak up punishment. In 100 years, I think Lewis will have a staunch set of supporters (probably mostly brit based) who argue that he was the greatest of all time and that the modern boxers could not hold a candle to him.
 

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As if he threw the fights v McCall and Rahman. Two one punch KO losses where he underestimated his opponents.

As for Lewis being able to absorb punishment I can only think of one fight where he copped a few and that was against Ray Mercer. I also think Mercer won that fight.
 

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El Duque said:
As if he threw the fights v McCall and Rahman. Two one punch KO losses where he underestimated his opponents.

As for Lewis being able to absorb punishment I can only think of one fight where he copped a few and that was against Ray Mercer. I also think Mercer won that fight.

Dont get me wrong, I agree. But in 100 years time things change. Those at many of the Jack Johnson and Dempsey fights probably said the same thing. People have poor memories and clinch onto anything. Plenty of people refer to Holmes Tyson or Foreman Holyfield when discussing why holmes or foreman cant beat people. EVen Tyson-lewis. Things will changed. It obviously didnt happen. But then again, if it did Lewis Legacy would be improved enormously wouldnt it? For this reason, i think Lewis will be discussed further than say, a holyfield.
 

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Cant see why Lewis should rank over a Holyfield and I don't believe anyone will ever think he threw fights.

I thought Lewis lost the rematch with Holyfield and that Holyfield was far removed from his prime. Just look how he struggled with Ruiz in his very next fight.
 

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El Duque said:
Cant see why Lewis should rank over a Holyfield and I don't believe anyone will ever think he threw fights.

I thought Lewis lost the rematch with Holyfield and that Holyfield was far removed from his prime. Just look how he struggled with Ruiz in his very next fight.

You are probably right, though no point arguing as neither of us will be around to prove a victory. I just thought it interesting. And by the way, no way Ali liston II was fixed. 8)

I agree Holyfield was old. The Bowe series really was the end of his time. And Holyfield lost this even though Bowe was nothing too special. Holyfield is at his best when he is boxing rather than slugging and that Evander disappeared pretty much around the time of Holyfield / Holmes. It would have been good to see the Foreman and Holmes fights if Evander fought the same style he used around the tyson era.

Holyfield (overall) was not that great a fighter. He lost to Moorer, Bowe, Lewis (disregard the rest). Pre Bowe, he never really fought any decent heavyweights unless you count Douglas, Foreman and Holmes who all really should never have had a chance in the shape they were in against any potential all time top 10. The main thing about Evander is that he had great heart and determination which is sadly missing among most curretn heavyweights.
 

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El Duque said:
Auckland4ever said:
Lennox was guilty of being the best of his generation by a pretty long stretch.

What exactly does that mean?

Lewis certainly wasn't the best heavyweight of the 90's. Far from it.

2 losses to opponents he took too lightly. Avenged both with complete ease. Heavyweight Champion for 17(?) title defences over a period of 10 yrs. Also unified the titles. If that doesnt say the best by a pretty long stretch, I dont know what does.

Would like to know who was far better in the 90's? Presume you mean Tyson or Holyfield? Fair enough, but as far as I'm concerned, Lennox was so successful because he could outbox and outslug his opponents. He has a great jab & a huge right.

Tyson was as one dimensional as he was devestating, not to mention unstable. Also bear in mind he had lost his titles by 1990. His best years were really 86-89. Time was never going to be kind to his style.

Holyfield was one of my favourite fighters & had pretty good skills & a huge heart, but he didnt seem to have the power to take someone out when he had to, nor did he have the size to dominate the likes of Bowe & was a open for far too much punishment. Most of his KO's were early on in his career.

I'm not with George Foreman in thinking Lennox was the greatest of all time, but he'd be in my top 10. Seems like he's going to be regarded by some(mostly Americans) in the same way the great Larry Holmes was, which is a shame.
 

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Holyfield was easily the best heavyweight of the 90's. Who the hell did Lewis beat in the 90's? An old Holyfield.

Check Holyfields resume in the 90'ss Shits on Lewis'.
 

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His resume in the 90's is'nt much tougher than Lewis's that I can see.

Besides Tyson, Bowe(inc 2 losses) & Moorer(inc 1 loss), & at a stretch, maybe Mercer, who else is on his resume? If Lewis beat an old Holyfield, its not unfair to note Holyfield was taken the distance in his prime against an old Foreman & an old Holmes. Douglas was nothing special. Cooper was a journeyman & so was Stewart by the 2nd time they fought.

Like I said, Holyfield was one of my favourite fighters, but I dont think he ever sported the same kind of dominance over the division that Lennox did.
 

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bender said:
You are right, I dont think there are 8 contenders, mostly because noone will fight anyone. I think if they fought regularly, you would get some half decent fights.

I guess if i was making the tournament it would include something like:

1. Chris Byrd - He is a world Champion and probably deserves a shot.

2. Roy Jones JR - Another World Champion (just barely) he would be interesting to see how he goes.

3. Vitali Klitchsko - He gave Lewis a decent run last time, and hasnt really lost any other fights. He deserves a shot.

4. Mike Tyson - He is shot, but he lasted quite a while with Lennox and did knockout Ettiene in a round. He is probably one of the best 8 boxers in the game.

5. Corrie Sanders - Has done little, but he beat Vlad Klitchsko so he probably should get a go.

6. James Toney - Assuming he recovers, he deserves a go at the title for beating Holyfield even if Holyfield was shot.

7. Ruiz - He does have some decent wins over top boxers which is more than most of the others can say, although the jones performance was pitiful. The Rahman victory has earned his shot .

8. Gomez - None of the young brigade seem to want to fight anyone. He is a former World champ who beat Sinan Samil Sam who was undefeated and was gaining on top 10 status.


The 8th place is most contentious. Tua, Mesi, Guinn, Harrison, Rahman, Klitchsko could all qualify but none are any good. All in all, the more i think about it, the more i hope that Lewis keeps fighting.

Oh god, Ruiz? Tua beat Ruiz in 19 seconds. Ruiz is terrible.
 

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