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LWOS managerial re-shuffle

Willow

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There have been some changes within Legends World of Sport in regards to management personnel. Its no big deal but I understand that some members like to be kept up-to-date as to who is keeping an eye on the place.

Long-term assistant managers, Roopy, MFC (Moffo) and El Duque have allhad their profiles altered to full managers while Bomber and Kiwi are the most recent additions as assistant managers.

Here's themanagement list:

El Duque. Manager, joined as member 14/07/2001 (Parramatta supporter)
Legend. Manager, joined as member 05/06/01 (Raiders supporter)
MFC. Manager, joined as member 16/07/01 (Bulldogs supporter)
Ozbash. Manager, joined as member 05/07/01 (Warriors supporter)
Roopy. Manager, joined as member 15/07/01 (Newcastle supporter)
Willow. Manager, joined as member 14/07/01 (St George supporter)
Bomber. Assistant manager, joined as member 17/07/01 (Cowboys supporter)
Kiwi. Assistant manager, joined as member 18/01/01(Broncos supporter)

While all the managers and assistant managers are forum moderators, the aim has always been been to allow the forums to moderate themselves with as little intervention as possible. The management see themselves as members and contributors first and moderators last.

LWOS member's list is currently sitting on 368 members. The banned list is still at zero and it will remain that way.

Any questions, criticisms or suggestions, please feel to post them here or if you like, feel free to pop us an email. Everyone has a say in how this place is run so if you have a query, please don't hesitate to let us know.
 
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ozbash

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i,ve never been besides bomber,, someone said he is quite tall.
 
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legend

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You only ever show your ugly mug to kick the boot into us ASIG. Judging by your comments, you know who we are but we don't know who you are although I have a pretty good idea. Would you like to give me a few examples of where we have spammed?
 
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SpaceMonkey

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I think that ASIG wants to be the first to get banned... please don't give him the satisfaction. Random deletion/editig of his posts would be funny though.
 

Willow

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SM: No chance of that. Some have tried and failed.
The issue with bannings is an easy one to deal with. You ban someone, they just come back with a different hotmail address and nickname. Its almost the case at the old place.. so what's the point?

IMO, ASIG is trash, but until he leaves of his accord, he is our trash.
 

Willow

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Its almost the case at the old place
...should have read,
Its almost always the case at the old place
 
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SpaceMonkey

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Like I said, just take some editorial license with his posts....
 

Willow

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LOL... I think I know who it is and its not surprising to see him hide behind some ridiculous name.

SM: I understand what you mean. We can delete posts but thus far, the little blighter hasnt done anything other than make a goose of himself.
The longer the posts hang in the breeze, the dumber ASIG looks. I wouldnt be surprised if he deleted his own posts after a bit.
That would be a shame... every forum needs a village idiot.
 

Willow

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Oh gosh yeah... I forgot that they have that sort of stuff at asig's place. If you upset someone in the heirarchy, they turn your avatarinto the 'forum idiot'...lol.. not so bad once you get used to it.

Still... I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy... so I guess I won't be invited back.
 
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meltiger

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lol

I think the last person made the forum idiot was either you Legend or maybe Willow?

I don't think it lasted very long though, although the way Legend keeps terrorising the threads he bloody deserves it !!! :p
 
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Any questions, criticisms or suggestions, please feel to post them here or if you like, feel free to pop us an email. Everyone has a say in how this place is run so if you have a query, please don't hesitate to let us know.

I'll take you up on that mate.... I was going to post this in the problems thread...
Fair enough Willow. And I do appreciate you taking the time to post that up. :)
But here's my question to yourself or the webmaster here, <u>only</u>.I remember early on when this community was formed, we had either yourself or legend promise that things here would not work the way they did at WORL. And whilst everything promised has been kept,one of the things that would apparently change wasthat we (the members)would have votes as to who will be the next manager or assistant manger. Correct? Well what the f**k happened to that promise mate?
I don't remember seeing a thread go up about the next manager being elected, or someone asking for our votes. Yet I see new managers and ass-managerson that list. Huh? WTF?
I'll give you both the benefit of the doubt if I did miss the thread or election deadline mate, and <u>apologise </u>here and now, but if I didn't,will one of youshow me the same respect and answer my question?
What do I think mate? I think we have a bunch of hypocrtes who run or manage this place, who bullshited in the begining to entice people over here and make them feel all warm and fuzzy, but now don't give two f**ks about them or what they want!
Tell me I'm wrong mate?
While were at it mate: What also happened to the promise that there would be no managers elected here at LWOS who were once mangers at WORL? I see that rule has been tossed out the window also. Anyone with a good memory will see that there are managers here who also held the same tag at WORL.
Give me just one half decent reason, why I shouldn't agree with this Anthony Stevens character and his earlier post mate? Because I'm also getting the impression that most of you are on a power trip.
Please clear it up for me.
As for this bullshit about not interfering in threads and not banning members. f**kENBULLSHIT!!! You guys have tried that crap over and over again.And what recentlyhappened? We lost one of the best posters here and another great bloke followed. Yeah great f**ken work! Pull your fingers out of your arses and do your f**king jobs! If you have a manger tag next to your name, than use the bloody thing!
Otherwise, if no members are going to be banned or threads monitered, tell me what point there is in having managers and ass-mangers here? It's a f**ken power trip! That's what it is!
Tell me I'm wrong again mate?
I look forward to either one ofyou (Willow or legend <u>only</u>) replying. Thanks.
Raging Bulldog


 

Willow

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Raging Bulldog:
Firstly, just a small clarification before I begin. I should point out that there are no webmasters here at LWOS, the web programming is done by NineMsn and we managers only have control over content. To be a webmaster, we have to have our own independent website, such as Leagueunlimited.

Now in regards to these 'promises'... we never promise anything but we make every attempt to improve the forum for the benefit of everybody. This sometimes requires new ideas but more than anything, it requires some flexibility.

"...about the next manager being elected"
The voting was tried and the result was MFC and Roopy getting elected... two excellent choices. But to be perfectly honest, the experiment failed because hardly anyone voted. We spent a good amount of time plugging it and so on but most people didnt give a toss... or simply forgot to vote.

Additionally, we had a good portion of people who didnt like the concept.

In the end we meekly announced that it in future, we'll just use our judgment. Sorry if you were not aware but believe me, the voting was tried and it simply wasn't worth the hassle. Having said that, its not something that we can't try again in the future shoulddifferent circumstances prevail.

The managers and assistant mangers are selected because they are need access to do certain things. Kiwi for example is currently running a 'Legend of Leagues' project and we thought he might need to add a section at some time in the future.

In any case, Assistant Managers / Managers are not really much different from members. The only extra powers we have are to add new forums or delete someone's elses threads... the latter being very rarely used. We can also ban people but its an unwritten rule that we can't do that.

The Assistant Manager / Manager is selected if they have something to offer the forum and are willing to put in the hard work... and are willing to do so because they want to. That's the basic selection criteria and there's nothing much more to it.

I should point out though, that some attempt is made to spread the Assistant Manager / Manager around in terms of location and background. We look at the team they support and where they live and if they have an opposite point of view on certain things, then its a plus. Its all in the interest of diversity. No one is selected because they are a 'mate'.

"What do I think mate? I think we have a bunch of hypocrtes who run or manage this place, who bullshited in the begining to entice people over here and make them feel all warm and fuzzy, but now don't give two f**ks about them or what they want!
Tell me I'm wrong mate?"

Your wrong.

"What also happened to the promise that there would be no managers elected here at LWOS who were once mangers at WORL? "
That was a policy once but as I said, we have to be flexible. It was really an idea that was unworkable and in the long term, counter productive, so it died a natural death.

"I'm also getting the impression that most of you are on a power trip."
Well there's not muchwe can do about your perceptions. Personally, I know how much effort is put in and its done for enjoyment. I personally do not feel a sense of power by being a forum manager... for christs sake... if you don't mind me saying, thats a pretty low ladder rung to aspire to. I mean this with the greatest respect to my fellow managers.
Anyway, I don't agree with you. We have a bunch of people who simply enjoy working in this online community. But like anyone here, we have egos and that sometimes comes through.

"...what recentlyhappened? We lost one of the best posters here and another great bloke followed. ...If you have a manger tag next to your name, than use the bloody thing!"
What do you suggest we do? Ban people or delete their threads because they are having a difference of opinion? Sorry, no can do.
We didnt ban Warlock or delete any of his threads when he went some rampage abusing everyone in sight. We don't ban people just because they are not our mates.

Quite frankly, we cannot force anyone to stay here. If some of your mates have left then what can we do? Its not fun to see people moving on but everyone has their own choices to make. They were apparently offended by one or two threads. Its not good but I say again, we allowed others the same lattitude before.

Hope you are feeling slightly more in the picture.

 
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legend

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RB, when we ran our awards we did a mailout to the inbox of every member of LWOS and you have to be an assistant manager or manager to do this and to be honest with you, with the website, we simply don't have enough resources to go around so people like Kiwi, Moffo and Bomber all offered their services to assist with the forum initiatives and we gladly accepted.

I can't get here as much as I wouldlike latelybut next year with an improved website, we will be promoting LWOS as one of two main forums to discuss sport and rugby league so we expect the load to increase significantly over the next twelve months and I hope you stick around. I need a few dogs supporters to abuse and Moffo is too easy a target.

RB,if you think you have something to add to the forums as far as suggestions go, let's hear it.

Also, as Willow said, we ran the elections last time and there was an overwhelming attitude that the only thing it promoted was forum politics so we took heed of those comments as not to offend or alienate any members who felt so strongly about the issue. Gav has since stepped down but the one thing that puzzles me is your comment about people who manage WORL can't manage LWOS and vice versa. To the best of my knowledge, WORL run with the same policy and none of our managers manage WORL or Grandstand. Maybe Meltiger can clear this up.

Craig, Brook chastised me yesterday for breaking another thread so I suggested she get James or Fender to have a look at my profile to see what the problem is. It is comforting to know thatfor the moment I can have the last word on every subject and play devils advocate with the forums however, I will refrain from posting until I get the all clear.
 
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"Otherwise, if no members are going to be banned or threads monitered, tell me what point there is in having managers and ass-mangers here? It's a f**ken power trip! That's what it is!"

I'd like to reply to that by pointing out how we used our 'power' in one specific case. Many of you will remember the one man crusade of Marcus to seemingly clog up the forum with anti-League/pro-Union threads. Marcus single-handedly chased away maybe as many as a dozen of our best posters, and the managers exchanged many emails agonising over whether we should throw out our principles and ban him. In the end, we stuck to our principles and not only didn't ban him, but gave him his own section.

During this time I, and many of the other managers, opposed the points he made in the forums without ever taking the cowards way out and just using our 'powers' to ban him and delete his posts. In the end he became a reasonable contributer to many threads, and I quite miss his input now that he has given up on us.

I reserve the right to argue against any post I disagree with (If I can be bothered), but I don't believe I have the right to censure the opinions of others. If people disagree with me, I respect their right to say so.

The easy way to be a manager here would be to ban and delete guys like Marcus whenever they appear, and the site would probably grow quicker as a result, but the quality of the site would disintegrate overnight if we adopted that approach. The policy at the moment is to oppose anything we don't agree with on the open forum and censureship is only used in the case of inapropriate language.

The biggest 'blues' I have ever had on the net have been with Gav, Legend, Kiwi and Bronco. We had massive disagreements which we thrashed out on the open forum (at WORL). I also had a slight disagreement with a manager at WORL, which was deleted in seconds.

I think we use our 'powers' judiciously, which usually means not using them at all. I haven't deleted a post ever, except for a few technical deletions where things were posted more than once, but I have openly chastised people who I felt were doing the wrong thing - which is basically what I am doing now RB - take note, you can have your opinion here, but if we feel you are wrong, we will tell you, on the open forum where all can judge the merits of the case for themselves.
 

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