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Madge Contract status

Curns13

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He has to go. The coach cannot play the game, he cannot run the ball or make the tackle, but if he cannot motivate the 25 men under his command then his time is up. Today's game must be the final straw.

His replacement doesn't need to be someone with previous 1st grade coaching experience. Look at Paul Green, he coached QCup and was an assistant at the Roosters and turned the Cowboys from yearly underachievers into premiers in 1 year. There must be guys like that out there that are worth a look at.
 

alien

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I'd have no problems if we brought in someone like Geoff Toovey - he has got a wonderful record at Manly, is passionate, has coached top quality players and probably could do a better job than our current coach. I'm not too sure about Cleary though; he had moderate success at Warriors but he did nothing really at the Panthers and more alarming was the fact that he allowed them to play a completely unstructured style of football; it was like he wasn't coaching them at all! In saying that, surely there is someone out there that can do better? Suggestions anyone?

yeah if madge goes, I think we should get toovey as coach
 

Rabbits20

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Generally I'm not a proponent of sacking unless it is for the better but I think today's performance has almost made Maguire's position untenable. There is no way, given the roster and playing talent we have, that this team should be getting beaten by that margin by that opponent. It is completely unacceptable and I think it warrants a vote of no confidence from everyone concerned with the club. What gets me is that the club has practically signed Maguire's death warrant by sacking all of his backroom staff; why not just get rid of him as well and start afresh? There is no logic in retaining him and only half backing him; we are better off in brining in someone new! I'd have no problems if we brought in someone like Geoff Toovey - he has got a wonderful record at Manly, is passionate, has coached top quality players and probably could do a better job than our current coach. I'm not too sure about Cleary though; he had moderate success at Warriors but he did nothing really at the Panthers and more alarming was the fact that he allowed them to play a completely unstructured style of football; it was like he wasn't coaching them at all! In saying that, surely there is someone out there that can do better? Suggestions anyone?
No to Toovey.

I can't stand the guy.

If things stay the same come round 10 next season then we will have a new coach I would say.
 

CAFPOW

Juniors
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We gotta give Madge credit for being positive. If he was on the sinking ship
Titanic, with no lifeboats remaining. He will just say, it's only cold water.
 

Pommy

Coach
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The way we're going, I don't know if I can take Madge more.

I can take being beat that's not an issue for me I've supported Newcastle United for nearly 32 years I'm sued to it.
It's the manner of the defeats I can't take. We never have a plan B.
If a whole group of players are out of form for me that's down to the coach.
 
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We have decent players. George and Tom despite their faults aren't motivated.

In the modern NRL I expected a drop away. But it's been sharp and quick. There have been patches of brilliance but it's looking like its psychological and physical. Three big seasons and a fourth mediocre and the window is shut, neigh, smashed.

Time for a change of plan, mindset and direction. I can handle rebuilding but I can't handle inaction. There's a problem and the club need to sort it/them out and move upwards and onwards.

There is a nucleus of players to build around, with some astute purchases and jr development the ship can be righted. But unfortunately that's in the hands of the club and not anyone else.
 

Rabbit toes

First Grade
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No to Toovey.

I can't stand the guy.

If things stay the same come round 10 next season then we will have a new coach I would say.
From what ive heard Tooves speaking highly of you too.

Id be more than happy with Tooves at the club.
 

souths_reborn

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I can take being beat that's not an issue for me I've supported Newcastle United for nearly 32 years I'm sued to it.
It's the manner of the defeats I can't take. We never have a plan B.
If a whole group of players are out of form for me that's down to the coach.
There are clubs that have been far worse off than Newcastle Utd over the last 32 years. Sir Bobby Robson and Kevin Keegan brought you guys a fair amount of success! However, I think the big mistake was Sir John Hall selling his stake in the club Mike Ashley; the guy just isn't passionate enough about football to be a decent owner! In any case, that is a discussion for another time...

I agree with you that the manner of the defeat is what is most concerning. That sort of performance sent a shiver down my spine and reminded me of the dark old days of the late 90s and early 2000s when life was a real struggle for us. However, based on the team we fielded and the opposition we were up against, we should not be getting beaten by that margin in the manner that we did. There is an argument to suggest that it could rank as the club's most embarrassing loss given the circumstances.

I personally think Madge's situation is close to being untenable as he seems unable to fix the problems that have plagued us for the last 18 months. Many people are going on about Plan B's, being one dimensional, not having a decent hooker, Greg Inglis and the Burgess brothers being overrated etc. and while they are all relevant reasons as to why we are where are, the most elementary factor behind our demise is that we just cannot hang onto the bloody ball! You can have the best players in the world and the most elaborate game plan that there is but if you cannot hang onto the ball then you are not going to win a thing! I remember looking at the match stats yesterday and I can recall within the first 25-30 minutes we had made something like 7 handling errors! You'd be lucky to see the Melbourne Storm make 7 handling errors in a game, let alone in 30 minutes. Moreover, it is just not just the excessive number but also during the context of the game and the areas of the field that we are making these mistakes that are proving to be so costly!
 

Pommy

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There are clubs that have been far worse off than Newcastle Utd over the last 32 years. Sir Bobby Robson and Kevin Keegan brought you guys a fair amount of success! However, I think the big mistake was Sir John Hall selling his stake in the club Mike Ashley; the guy just isn't passionate enough about football to be a decent owner! In any case, that is a discussion for another time...

I agree with you that the manner of the defeat is what is most concerning. That sort of performance sent a shiver down my spine and reminded me of the dark old days of the late 90s and early 2000s when life was a real struggle for us. However, based on the team we fielded and the opposition we were up against, we should not be getting beaten by that margin in the manner that we did. There is an argument to suggest that it could rank as the club's most embarrassing loss given the circumstances.

I personally think Madge's situation is close to being untenable as he seems unable to fix the problems that have plagued us for the last 18 months. Many people are going on about Plan B's, being one dimensional, not having a decent hooker, Greg Inglis and the Burgess brothers being overrated etc. and while they are all relevant reasons as to why we are where are, the most elementary factor behind our demise is that we just cannot hang onto the bloody ball! You can have the best players in the world and the most elaborate game plan that there is but if you cannot hang onto the ball then you are not going to win a thing! I remember looking at the match stats yesterday and I can recall within the first 25-30 minutes we had made something like 7 handling errors! You'd be lucky to see the Melbourne Storm make 7 handling errors in a game, let alone in 30 minutes. Moreover, it is just not just the excessive number but also during the context of the game and the areas of the field that we are making these mistakes that are proving to be so costly!

Yet I've never seen us win anything in my lifetime, although we did go close. Things seem to be on the up and up with the appointment of Rafa.
I can't imagine how the club can throw their backing behind Madge for 2017. People say give him until mid next season but I don't see anything to suggest he has any idea how to drag us out of this mess. That plan is just setting us back a year.
 

souths_reborn

Juniors
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Yet I've never seen us win anything in my lifetime, although we did go close. Things seem to be on the up and up with the appointment of Rafa.
I can't imagine how the club can throw their backing behind Madge for 2017. People say give him until mid next season but I don't see anything to suggest he has any idea how to drag us out of this mess. That plan is just setting us back a year.
What I don't get is the logic behind sacking all his backroom staff but not getting rid of Maguire himself. What is the point of that? Its like we are giving the coach a massive vote of no confidence but aren't decisive enough to get rid of him! I think we are better of getting rid of him completely or backing him 100%. Its funny that you should mention football because this situation bares a striking similarity with what Liverpool did with Brendan Rodgers at the end of 2014-2015! After he got beaten 6-1 by Stoke on the last day of the season, they got rid of both of his assistant and a lot of his backroom staff but kept him on for some strange reason. Sure enough, things didn't work out for him at the start of the 15-16 season, he was sacked and Jurgen Klopp was left to clean up one almighty mess. I think when things go down hill as quickly as they did for coach, very rarely do things turn around. Hence, I think that it would probably be best for all parties concerned to move Madge on at seasons end and give the incoming coach plenty of time and good preseason to bring in the players he wants and impart his own ideas on the players. What worries me is the extent to Richo is involved in the running of the club and the influence he has over the playing group, recruitment etc. I hope to god he isn't thinking of putting anything in place that resembles Liverpool's transfer committee...
 

southsport

First Grade
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What I don't get is the logic behind sacking all his backroom staff but not getting rid of Maguire himself.

Not sure if true but it has been said that he was asked to leave recently but he refuses to go before his contract is up at the end of 2017............in other words he wants a payout.
 

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