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Makybe Diva given unfair advantage

Kramer

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Thierry Henry said:
The connections of several horses, NZ and Australian, have had a crack, as have the bookies who quite rightly predicted that MD would struggle in the proper conditions. It was a big news story over here tonight and it was most certainly not coming from a whinging Kiwi perspective, but rather reporting from Australia.
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Gee big news, trainers and bookies complaining. Like that's something new.
 
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Nuffs

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Moffo said:
makybe was given a fair sized advantage

Undeniable
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how??

are you telling me that they have run the 13th fastest Melb cup out of 145 runnings on a dead track?! of course not! it was obviously rated good. that's why they changed the rating straight after the race. they change the ratings judged on times and jockeys' opinions and this time was too quick to be on a dead track

the media love a good story. these journalists criticising the track have had their one story for the year and wont be seen till next year. "TRACK TOO FIRM - 24 HORSES BREAKDOWN" that's a good headline next year for the same journo's who said this year "TRACK DEAD - CUP CREDIBILTY DEAD"

i read in another forum a kiwi saying that if the track was good then xcellent would have beaten the cup record!!! LOLOLOL!!!!
 
JJ

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meh - the Diva and Vinnie Row would probably have been scratched on a hard track... so it was a sensible thing to do marketing wise...

just celebrate the fact that she's the greatest 2-miler any of us are likely to ever see...

As for Xcellent - that was phenomenal. Although he's classified as a 4 yo, in reality he's only 3... if he remains sound, watch out, he's a special horse...
 
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douglasallen91

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JJ said:
meh - the Diva and Vinnie Row would probably have been scratched on a hard track... so it was a sensible thing to do marketing wise...
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exactly water the track to get diva to race and theirfore more money
 
lockyno1

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Nuffs said:
but the race was on a good track. why can't people unerstand that?!?!
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BINGO! Otherwise the track would not have been upgraded to "good" after the race!
 
Moffo

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Nuffs said:
how??

are you telling me that they have run the 13th fastest Melb cup out of 145 runnings on a dead track?! of course not! it was obviously rated good. that's why they changed the rating straight after the race. they change the ratings judged on times and jockeys' opinions and this time was too quick to be on a dead track

the media love a good story. these journalists criticising the track have had their one story for the year and wont be seen till next year. "TRACK TOO FIRM - 24 HORSES BREAKDOWN" that's a good headline next year for the same journo's who said this year "TRACK DEAD - CUP CREDIBILTY DEAD"

i read in another forum a kiwi saying that if the track was good then xcellent would have beaten the cup record!!! LOLOLOL!!!!
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sorry, but i doubt it was a good track
 
Southern Rooster

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Kramer said:
Rubbish..... If the race had been 50 metres longer Xcellent would have finished 5th.
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That might be true but On A Jeune would have past the Diva. OAJ was going two strides to the Diva's one.

If the track was not watered you would have had Makybe Diva and Vinnie Roe out of the cup. There would have been a few others as well. I was at the Caulfield Cup and that track was as hard as anything and in the end cost Mummify.

What they did was not cheating but making sure come cup time they had a good track as opposed to a rock hard track. 3200 metres on a rock hard track in not good for the race.

Let's Elope and Shiva's Revenge ran 1,2 around a fast track in 1991 and quite a lot of that field pulled up and walked across the line.
 
Kramer

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And Kingston Rule ran a track record in 1990 on a deadset bitumen track. Makybe Diva was only 3 seconds off that record. 3 secs isn't too bad for a 3200m race. Couldn't have been too soft out there. As for the 50m longer crap, when was the last Melbourne Cup run over 3250? Boss eased her down anyway, had them beat the lot of them. Get over it.
 
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Moffo said:
sorry, but i doubt it was a good track
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so are you saying they raced within 3 seconds of the cup record set by kingston rule in 1990, on a DEAD track??

LESS THAN 5 MINUTES after the race they declare the track GOOD so don't tell me it was a dead track during the cup

too many people have been carried away by the media and are talking through their pocket
 
Southern Rooster

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Nuffs said:
so are you saying they raced within 3 seconds of the cup record set by kingston rule in 1990, on a DEAD track??

LESS THAN 5 MINUTES after the race they declare the track GOOD so don't tell me it was a dead track during the cup

too many people have been carried away by the media and are talking through their pocket
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Here here. Nothing wrong with that track. More tracks in the country should race like Flemington has. Caulfield should sit up and take notice. The worst track in the country is Caulfield for bias.
 
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and i found the time for last year's cup on a DEAD track - 3min 28sec

8 second improvement, since both tracks were "dead" with a 2.5KG penalty


now that is a sarcastic point as i was at melbourne that day and there is no way in hell that it was a dead track. it was SLOW. but the track was still "officially" dead. just because the track is listed as being dead or good or whatever, doesn't mean that you should be listening to them
 
Macca_

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ozbash said:
ok, so was the track watered on the first tuesday in november, in victoria,mid spring,pissing down with rain a few days earlier just in case it turned to concrete and hurt the poor horseys feet ????
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No, the forecast in the week leading up suggested it would be a good track.

Watering wasn't an issue in the few cups recently because rain was around. It's been an issue this year...

It wouldn't have mattered what the penotometer said on Cup Day, she would have won anyway. Unless of course if it was a bone dry track like the Japan tracks she raced on. But they are never like that here, and if they were like that it would have been watered anyway.

Always going to be excuses and conspiarcy theories from the beaten brigade.

Big Mick © said:
no horse in the last 10 years has ever carried 60 kg...if I remember correctly, its just way too much to carry over the distance...the DIVA was struggling last 50 with that weight..had the race been 50 metres more she would have got done.
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The weights are no more condenssed with the European horses coming over. Don't think we'll see many carry more than 60kg anymore.

She got the the lead a little earlier than Boss wanted. But he had to take the run when it was there. If the race had been 50m longer he may not have went earlier, who knows. They only had to go 3200m, the jockey chooses to go and time his run for that distance, not further :D

They were running good track times and the upgrade and as has been mentioned it was upgraded straight after the race. Had no watering been done it would have been on the lessor side of fast I'd imagine. Wouldn't have bothered MD.
 
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