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Masters has a good source

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Weaponhead

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An email trail linking the four sacked members of the Sharks football department demonstrates that they feared possible doping breaches at the club at least two months before May 29, 2011, when sports scientist Stephen Dank was told to leave.
Copies of emails, dating to March 2011 and linking football manager Darren Mooney, club doctor David Givney, physiotherapist Konrad Schultz and trainer Mark Noakes show they could have informed the Cronulla board much earlier of the possible use of performance-enhancing drugs at the club.
The trail also includes a warning from a doctor at another NRL club.
The NRL has confirmed information obtained by Deloitte Forensic and funded by the NRL has been sent to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority. ''It is ASADA's investigation,'' an NRL spokesman said. ''We hired Deloitte Forensic and they passed the information on.''
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The Sharks conducted their own separate inquiry, leading to the sacking of the four staff and the standing down of coach Shane Flanagan because of failure of management practices. This is in keeping with ASADA penalties which reflect the additional duty of care of people in supervisory positions, with sanctions between eight years and life for those found guilty of doping offences.
Flanagan has subsequently been reinstated, following evidence he was not part of the email trail.
But the emails demonstrate that the four sacked members of the football department should have acted sooner against Dank and trainer Trent Elkin.
Flanagan has also been reinstated because the NRL and the Cronulla board clearly see him as a mentor, offering advice to the 14 Sharks players being investigated by ASADA.
While some members of the board justify the initial standing down of Flanagan because a head coach is expected to be an all-seeing eye at a club, they recognise the confidence the Sharks players have in him.
Flanagan, who is signed for a further two seasons, can be expected to study the ASADA drug code and potential range of penalties available and make recommendations to players who hold him in a position of trust.
If players were suspended for six months, they could be back for the 2014 season.
ASADA will recommend some six-month penalties via its maximum discount of 75 per cent of a two-year ban, provided the players offer ''substantial assistance''.
The legal and PR costs to the Sharks, together with their own forensic accounting, have indebted the cash-strapped club to the NRL for at least five years.
Board elections will be held next month and voting tickets are being arranged, but the future of the club, involving a possible relocation to Perth, will be in the hands of the NRL, not the incoming directors.
NRL sources indicate the Sharks are not privy to ASADA's intelligence, thought to have been obtained by phone taps and surveillance.
Protocol demands this evidence first be placed in front of players at interviews, giving them the option of co-operating.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/sharks-had-warning-20130324-2gny9.html#ixzz2OUx1dY4r
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Seems the board did have some evidence for the sackings.
 
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THE MESSIAH !!!

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Lets just see, considering ASADA contacted a player for a interview, till the player said i want at the club in 2011, ASADA apologised yet another mistake, they have nothing if they did they would have nailed everyone involved
 
PHaTMaN

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Is this the same source that talked about Isaac Gordon complaining about getting too many needles?

Didn't Gordon just come out and say he was never injected with anything?
 
Frenzy.

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THE MESSIAH !!! said:
Lets just see, considering ASADA contacted a player for a interview, till the player said i want at the club in 2011, ASADA apologised yet another mistake, they have nothing if they did they would have nailed everyone involved
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You know something MESSIAH, and I mean well in saying this, you are setting yourself up for a massive fall if you really believe there is nothing in this.

ASADA can't say anything publically. That does not mean they have nothing to talk about.
 
Feej

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Frenzy. said:
You know something MESSIAH, and I mean well in saying this, you are setting yourself up for a massive fall if you really believe there is nothing in this.

ASADA can't say anything publically. That does not mean they have nothing to talk about.
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Yep. I think it's time some of us take our heads out of the sand. There's no way we are coming out of this unscathed.
 
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Feej said:
Yep. I think it's time some of us take our heads out of the sand. There's no way we are coming out of this unscathed.
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I think what a lot of people are forgetting that al of thsi so far has been lefty jerk fest. lefty consultants & lawyers working for us "against" a lefty government organisation sent in to rake muk, by a lefty minority government.
Heres the rub. None of them are very good at what they purport to do. By nature they are a frightened species who jump at shadows & will instill fear in those around them. Like the Meerkat who runs for cover when a shadow passes, his fear is passed on to all those willing to listen.
People have escaped murder charges despite having phone taps that recorded a confession a body in their backyard & a youtube video of the incident.
The reason they got off is because the defense hired people who are good at their job. I suspect the player managers have now got the "right" people looking after things.
We won't get out unscathedf because we already are. it has cost us millions.
Bring in the smart guys with the real big sticks.
 
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Frenzy. said:
You know something MESSIAH, and I mean well in saying this, you are setting yourself up for a massive fall if you really believe there is nothing in this.

ASADA can't say anything publically. That does not mean they have nothing to talk about.
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I know acc can't say anything but I thought there was nothing stopping asada ??
 
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Gee they had suspicions and took action to terminate Dank. Surely all terminations and employment are assumed to be known by Club boards. If not then please notify the Penrith Board that Luke Lewis has left the club. They might not know yet.
 
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If masters is getting his information from a source in the ACC then its game over.
ACC cannot release any information to ASADA. They cannot tell them what was heard in phone taps.
ACC can only point ASADA in a direction
ACC phone taps & credit card transactions can only be passed ont police departments when something illegal has happened.
 
Ken Ebb

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I'm getting messages that 14 of our players are being stood down this week!!!!

Anyone else hearing/know anything?!?!?!
 
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THE MESSIAH !!!

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As each day goes by with ASADA there position weakens.

Remember the press conference they basically said Australian Sport was riddled with drugs match fixing; basically Australia was worse than East Germany in the 80’s.

Then the pressure goes on and the name at the top of the list Stephen Dank the spots scientist linked to numerous clubs mostly Essendon & Cronulla, still no evidence so what does Dank to but gets on the front foot and is ready to sue ASADA.

ASADA now under pressure find and alleged whistle blower Elkin a person who left the club a former employee on what terms no one knows and links up at a rival club who also has a former employee at their club.

So ASADA with their list of club decides to target Cronulla, the only club with no CEO and also been known to back down from any fight, the board panics bringing in former ASADA employees to direct them and the players, again not one shred of evidence has been presented, the board under pressure sacks fiver players on eve of the start of the premiership.

The players don’t wilt if they were guilty by now you would expect them to be hands up I will take any deal, a public outcry in the media and again no evidence.

The chairman falls on his sword all his good work in the past doesn’t make up for his week of no sure then crumbling in an interview for which no given reason to print was it in context or not.

The club is appointed an interim CEO Bruno Cullen the ship seems to steady with now someone at the helm, new chairman appointed.

They lose game against Souths but the NRL CEO is there to shake each one of the player’s hands, his first show of being with the players, an interesting move in that previously he was nowhere to be seen but now here he is.

Flanagan re appointed ASADA doesn’t block this.

Interviews of players to start again no evidence on table, yes we get some journalists making comments but all of these have never been supportive of the club so why would they now.

ASADA have a set time to resolve this matter, they will make sure they get media coverage as they need to keep Julia off front page, they will try and to bluff each player but as is said when began each day there case weakens, they until September 14th and by then the Sharks will still be intact and in the finals and those who run ASADA will be looking for new employment.

ASADA bring it on, the Australian Government vs. Cronulla Sharks this won we win by a landslide
 
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