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Matt Keating bashing....

andrew057

First Grade
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This is ridiculous. One of our most promising youngster is getting crucified on this board by fickle fans. He was one of our best and most consistent first graders last season. Sure he didn't have a great game vs. the Roosters but has been pretty solid to start the season. People calling for Finch and Burt to hooker is ludicrous and frankly quite geniused. I look forward to Matt hitting form and proving you naysayers wrong.
 

andrew057

First Grade
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This will serve as a reminder. There are plenty more out there too. Ill keep this link as a source, http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=319428

At the moment, young Matt isn't a 1st grade hooker, or atleast performing like one. He continuosly provides sh*t ball and takes the wrong options. I think he's been just as bad as Finch in attack. He didn't get hooked for no reason either.

First ppl on my hitlist to get the chop would be:

2) Matt Keating - ppl have overrated him ... he's solid and a good defender, but he mostly does almost nothing but pass from dummy half - the opposition defense just has to line up the poor f'n prop who is 99% guaranteed to get the ball cos matt doesn't run

Agreed, I think M Keating is very overated and not a long term solution.
 
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Eels Dude

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Didn't have a great game on friday, but I was very impressed with him in the first 3 games. I'm not going to have a go at him for one bad game he's still young and he's going to have a bad game every now and then unfortunately.
 
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This is ridiculous. One of our most promising youngster is getting crucified on this board by fickle fans. He was one of our best and most consistent first graders last season. Sure he didn't have a great game vs. the Roosters but has been pretty solid to start the season. People calling for Finch and Burt to hooker is ludicrous and frankly quite geniused. I look forward to Matt hitting form and proving you naysayers wrong.

I agree. I was probably being to critical of Matt but then I had an ephipany yesterday while watching Manly lose again. I realized how impressed with McManus I am, which is surprising cause I didn't rate the guy at all when he first broke onto the scene. Young players improve with time and experience and some whom we don't rate can turn into impressive players if you give them a chance.

We need to be patient with Matt. He will learn and improve from prolonged exposure to 1st grade.
 
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Ike E Bear

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Agreed. I think Matt Keating is shaping up to be a fine first grade hooker.

The game against the Roosters was the first seriously poor game I can remember seeing him play. And for a guy his age and experience, I think that's a credit to him.

I don't think Kris Keating should be relieving him, though. KK isn't a hooker and the team loses direction when he's at dummy half. Just bite the bullet and do something (anything) with Finch!

If KK had demonstrated a better kicking game then I'd say move Finch to 6 and bring in KK ... but as it is they are both predominantly ball-running halves (well Finch has been used as a kicker, but if he ever could kick he's forgotten how now). As such, I think one of them needs to go to Wenty, with Daniel Mortimer getting his chance.

1. Hayne (I've got no real problem with Burt, but something needs to be done with Hayne and he's not really working as a 5/8.)
2. Grothe
3. Smith
4. Inu
5. Reddy

6. Finch
7. Mortimer

13. Mateo
12. Lowrie
11. Hindmarsh
10. Moi Moi
9. Matt Keating
8. Cayless

14. Galuvao
15. Wright
16. Mannah (I'd persist with Mannah at this stage, but this is Paulo's spot anyway.)
17. Bauman

The side I've named is YOUNG. It has worked for South Sydney with Sandow, so I think Mortimer is worth a shot. Even Pearce and Wade Graham show good promise. We NEED a good general play kicker.

The only players who aren't at risk of being dropped or shifted from their current positions/roles are:
* Nathan Hindmarsh
* Feleti Mateo
* Fui Fui Moi Moi
* Joel Reddy

Players who are currently doing okay in my book are:
* Nathan Cayless
* Matt Keating
* Joe Galuvao
* Broderick Wright

Kris Keating and Finch?
There really isn't the need for a replacement hooker - move Finch to dummy half when and if Keating needs a spell, with Mateo moving to 5/8. Done strategically this will put the ball in Mateo's hands more often at crucial times. Relieved of most of the general kicking duties, Finch can focus more on organisation and getting the ball to the three-quarters in sharp fashion. If he's not up to that, then KK is waiting in the wings.

Hayne or Burt?
They both have their pluses and minuses. Burt in Wenty, though, puts pressure on everyone from 1-5 to perform. Burt could come in at fullback or wing for any of them (Reddy moving to the centres if one of those were to be dropped). Hayne is at "put up or shut up" stage. Based on his dollars, he should be one of the top five fullbacks in the game ... if he isn't, then he's on overs. He's not a 5/8, although I think that experiment could potentially work in a team with a good tactical kicker and in-form halfback.

Cayless?
The forum bags him a lot. He might be getting paid too much, but he's the team's undisputed second best prop and a genuine leader in the forwards. Ultimately, there's no one to replace him with.

Mateo's offloads?
I think it's fine for him to be more selective, but he can't pack it away altogether. Making him a tackling/hit up merchant is the equivalent of taking a knife to a gunfight when you have a machine gun locked away in the gun safe. I think he's a lock, btu free him up to play more of his natural game.

Matt Keating?
If he produces another stinker then Kingston can come in, but I think he deserves the chance to make amends.

Galuvao?
Galuvao is going great and deserving of a spot in the run on team ... if only we had one more capable, seasoned frontrower who would allow Moi Moi to start on the bench. I'd bring Galuvao off the bench around the same time that Moi Moi is on the sideline, looking to him to run hard and create impact.

Mannah?
One more bad game and he can go back for more development. If he can't catch and hold a ball then he can't play with the big boys. Everything about this kid is exciting, so I hope his worst is behind him now.

Hauraki?
I think Hauraki NEEDS some time away to work on his game. Lowrie has proven himself in my eyes so far this year. The speed of the game this year seems to better suit him than Hauraki at this stage. He's also a potential fill-in for the backs in case of injury.
 

hindy111

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umm keating is good at what he does.But i think its cuase our team need flair and lacks attack he doesnt compliment it well...
Maybe if we had a pj of bench than he be the gritty 40+ tackle type we want-But id trade him for pj in current situation
 

andrew057

First Grade
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umm keating is good at what he does.But i think its cuase our team need flair and lacks attack he doesnt compliment it well...
Maybe if we had a pj of bench than he be the gritty 40+ tackle type we want-But id trade him for pj in current situation


Maybe you should blame Finch and Hayne for a lack of flair. Theres no way Id trade Keating for a 29 year old Marsh who hasnt played first grade footy in what a year now?
 
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After the dust has settled, I reckon he should get another chance. He definately had a shocker. As for Finch... well he is not exactly a spring chicken who can better. He deserves to go!!
 

woddy

Juniors
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Maybe you should blame Finch and Hayne for a lack of flair. Theres no way Id trade Keating for a 29 year old Marsh who hasnt played first grade footy in what a year now?


I'd have PJ back in a heartbeat he can play at half and is a good hooker who hits the big boppers hard in defense .....
 

lingard

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Matt Keating`s okay. And I mean okay. Not terrific, by any means. I think it`s pretty obvious that Anderson is planning to move Kris Keating to half-back, and Finch to hooker, with Matt Keating to be the back-up hooker. I think Finch is a far better runner than Matt Keating. If Finch could play hooker and CALM DOWN (as cgee221 was saying in another thread) and just do simple short passes - and definitely DONT kick - EVER - then we might see some results. I`d be surprised if Anderson doesn`t go that way this week.
 

lingard

Coach
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And, as for wanting P.J. Marsh back. God, show some imagination! The guy doesn`t even play first grade!
 

COACH STERLING

Juniors
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FMD, next time I dont like someones posts I'm going to make a thread about it. :roll:

Seriously. all I said is he isn't performing like a first grade hooker. He still has a lot to learn, and personally I would like to see Kingston given a go. Matt hasn't lived up to 1st grade standards. Doesn't mean I don't think he'll give some value in future years...just not up to scratch right now.
 

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