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Matt Moylans dead ball on friday

thorson1987

thorson1987

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Bretto said:
Correct ruling.

Doesn't matter if Matty was already out of play. He's out of play and touched the ball before the ball had gone out of play, therefore, Matty is deemed to have taken the ball out of play.

It's not rocket surgery.
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100% wrong.

If moylan had already put a foot out before touching the ball, he has not taken the ball out of play.
 
Bretto

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The ball is in touch when it or a player in contact with it touches the touch line or the ground beyond the touch line.

That's what the rule book says.
 
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Panfas said:
By that logic if you catch a kick off with a foot both in and out of the field of play then the player catching the ball would have taken it dead.
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Is the ball in play if it hasnt bounced in the field of play yet?
 
thorson1987

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Bretto said:
The ball is in touch when it or a player in contact with it touches the touch line or the ground beyond the touch line.

That's what the rule book says.
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So if moylan has one foot in and one foot out and catches the ball, the ball is deemed to be out.
 
thorson1987

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Bretto said:
If it's caught on the full from the kick-off, yes. What is this? :lol::lol:
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Doesn't matter if its a kick off or kick in general play or even passed tk him.

I havent seen the incident in question though, just pointing out the actual rule.
 
TheFrog

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Panfas said:
A Penrith player that is already out of bounds...

Lets say someone was going for a 40/20 kick, it was a big kick and it goes well out on the full. However, the defending winger catches the ball out of the field of play. The defender has both feet planted on the ground, who would the feed go to?
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Something similar to this happened last year, Round 19 Roosters V Panthers. Matt Moylan again. He jumped from in the field of play and batted a 40/20 kick back before it had bounced outside the field of play, but he didn't quite get hold of it and it went out off him. The refs incorrectly gave the Roosters a quick tap and then compounded the error by sending Elijah Taylor to the bin for being offside. It should have been a scrum with a Roosters feed as it's not a 40/20 if it's last touched by an opposition player. The Roosters, who constantly whinge about the refs, got a converted try out of this and a huge leg-up in the game.

Luckily we got 'em in the finals when one of these bat-backs over the sideline came off.

Anyway the refs were correct on Friday night, I don't think a Panther played at it on the way through, Moylan will have learnt a lesson. It didn't cost us the game.
 
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duylm

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Does this all relate to how they "fixed" the rule a decade ago so that you can no longer just stick a foot over the dead ball line and scoop it dead?

The fact of this case is that Moylan took a step over the dead ball line so he did not leave the field of play as a live player unlike those bat-backs we now regularly see, someone early in this thread erroneously compared that.

Therefore, is there a different rule for players taking the ball dead in the in goal compared to catching balls from kickoffs in the touchline?
 
cleary89

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lol so many morons.

From a restart, it is the job of the kicking team to make sure the ball goes in play. If you are standing out and touch it, it is out obviously and the kicking team never brought it into play. Penalty to defending side.

In general kicks where it has bounced, it needs to go dead or out first. If you are standing out and touch it, you are the one who is deemed to have taken it out because it was in play and you took it out of play. You need to wait till it is out of play before you can touch it (i.e. let it bounce).

Kicking for touch, if it goes over the sideline and the wind brings it back in, it's play on.

Ref got it 100% correct as usual.
 
lockyno1

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Bobby DIGital said:
If it was Duuhrius Boyd there wouldn't be an I Bleed Monthly thread about it.
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Boyd wouldn't be dumb enough to do it in the first place.

Penrith blaming the ref for one decision...fair dinkum did they even try and score a try the whole game? Maybe look at that rather than the ref getting a decision RIGHT!:crazy:
 
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cleary89 said:
lol so many morons.

From a restart, it is the job of the kicking team to make sure the ball goes in play. If you are standing out and touch it, it is out obviously and the kicking team never brought it into play. Penalty to defending side.

In general kicks where it has bounced, it needs to go dead or out first. If you are standing out and touch it, you are the one who is deemed to have taken it out because it was in play and you took it out of play. You need to wait till it is out of play before you can touch it (i.e. let it bounce).

Kicking for touch, if it goes over the sideline and the wind brings it back in, it's play on.

Ref got it 100% correct as usual.
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/thread, one of the few people who understands the rule. I loved how 'coach handshake' mentioned how this happened last year when Knights played the Roosters and they were ruled to have taken the ball dead and forced to kick a drop out. It was actually the opposite, the ref gave the Knights a 20m tap and they scored off that set which Trent Robinson raised after the game. No one cared as the NRL and Channel 9 (remember the commentators led by Gould and the bigoted senile merkin gave them a round of applause and standing ovation at half time) got the result they wanted.
 
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ek999

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Surely you will get rid of that chip on your shoulder soon. Everyone gets bad calls against them, you don't need to bring up bad ones against the Roosters in every thread.
 
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