Matthew Johns sex scandal in 2002

[blacktip-reefy]

No-one could really be stupid enough to think the things you are posting are reasonable.

Are you saying you believethee are no gay men involved in the NRL at the playing & coaching level?

 

[myanonymoususername]

Preston was in Christchurch apparently, the list of first grade players for that game was posted earlier in this thread. The DT has said they'll be tracking down the players and asking if they were among those that were in the room.

I'm not saying it's Preston's go... but obviously the league thought Stewart didn't have what he did in him, and that Johns didn't have what he did in him in the past to have elevated them to their ad campaigns. So I guess we can't assume.

Shame, seems like because of the numerous dickheads in league spoiling it for the others, we have to be very careful in who we nominate as role models. But when it's always the women's fault or the media's, then our game can just keep on how it is with no problems, hey...

Actually, seeing they did nothing wrong, surely those involved would have no problems owning up to what they did?

In fact its their duty as Matthew Johns' mates to man up and share the responsibility, to save him from copping it all like he is now.

:sarcasm:

 

[Timmah]

Oh Timmothay, the more you yak, the more I want to hurt you! lmao. YOU are the one saying it's the women who are in it for the notoriety or money so how about YOU stop being sexist.
i refuse to grow up so that's a moot point. Now go away, I don't want to do you harm.

Yet again you refuse to bother reading the words being said on the screen. You're implying I'm generalising that all women are in it for the money which I never said. I said some are. That is plain to see, but it's too easy for you to beat up on the blokes and heap 100% of responsibility on them. I don't excuse their actions - why are you excusing the actions of SOME women?

 

[myanonymoususername]

Are you saying you believethee are no gay men involved in the NRL at the playing & coaching level?

No you f**kwit - I was referring to your rantings generally not that specific post.

Keep tugging away on it!

 

[Pete Cash]

I never said anything about damages. The type of women I'm talking about are after money from chequebook journalist who'll clamour for their story, or worse still advancing their media profile for the purpose of furthering their own career.

When it comes to StormChaser I've got sexist entirely in focus - she appears to be of the believe that the men are 100% responsible for every incident and that any and every woman quoted in the media is automatically innocent. Yet the belief is the men should be subject to trial by media in the same breath. That is sexist - she sees men as inferior.

Yeah that is fair enough but what women are doing this. I know it surely must happen and its brought out WITHOUT fail everytime a rugby league player is accused of anything, but I have not heard too much in the way of factual evidence that suggests there is a spate of it happening. Could you provide names and sources or something if you know more on this issue than I do.

Also I don't think she is being sexist. If anything you are arguing that she believes women are inferior because the man has to take 100 percent responsibility. Are you not just lashing out with words now.

 

[bartman]

Where did I mention a specific situation, let alone those ones? Although I will question your use of @ Palavi's paper-thin allegation, I think you don't understand my point. I haven't said "all women are sl*ts who go out and beg for it - but there are some elements like that, and in particular there are ones who are out either for a quick buck through the media or advancement of their chosen career. Read what I'm writing next time, instead of picking the bits that suit having a dig.

Maybe express yourself clearer next time, before you press post?

You have failed to name which of the women "who have been implicated in these incidents" (which incidents?) were after cash or career advancement. You seem to think it is undeniable, but offer not a glimmer of proof. You are making the mistake of putting across your opinion as fact.

 

[StormChaser]

Oh god...not you too...did you even read my posts.

Far out...i'm sick of the people in here.

:lol: So many people skim read, and others don't read at all just dribble utter crap and commence rocking in the corner.

You get used to it after a while.

 

[Vicious]

The only thing that Kiwi girl did that was wrong, was not get the hell outta there when she realised a WHOLE lot more was about to happen. None of the other females interviewed for the story did anything wrong, except maybe that Pavali chick but even then, she didn't deserve to be raped if that's what in fact did happen.





Oh Timmothay, the more you yak, the more I want to hurt you! lmao. YOU are the one saying it's the women who are in it for the notoriety or money so how about YOU stop being sexist.
i refuse to grow up so that's a moot point. Now go away, I don't want to do you harm.

What the Kiwi girl done wrong was change her mind sometime after she`d already committed the act. Unfortunately you can`t go back in time, i`m sure Schapelle Corby regrets what she done as well, it`s not going to help get her out of jail anytime soon is it ???

 

[Timmah]

Shame, seems like because of the numerous dickheads in league spoiling it for the others, we have to be very careful in who we nominate as role models. But when it's always the women's fault or the media's, then our game can just keep on how it is with no problems, hey...

This is what I love, you condone trial by media, you think it's the public right and moreover, you escape with making generalisations that tarnish the entire game instead of ONLY the responsible parties, and worse still, discredit others arguments by using those same generalisations because you don't bother to read the detail of their statement or argument. I've not once denied the men around the traps need to wake up to themselves - but to completely ignore the fact there are some women that bare responsibility for some incidents (and no, I'm not referring implicitly to incidents raised in the 4C program) is to miss part of the issue.

 

[BWNB]

Haven't read the thread but heard abit about the story.
Let me get this right, she said 'yes' to Johns but no to the others?

 

[Kiki]

i think whats hard with all this is that it's such a massive grey area. everyone has a different idea of what's appropriate and what isn't.

for me personally i think group sex is gross and it's not something i would ever wanna be involved with (or one night stands in any context for that matter) but for others it's no big deal. sexual morality is so subjective, hence the constant arguing.

 

[StormChaser]

What the Kiwi girl done wrong was change her mind sometime after she`d already committed the act. Unfortunately you can`t go back in time, i`m sure Schapelle Corby regrets what she done as well, it`s not going to help get her out of jail anytime soon is it ???

You didn't watch the show at all did you? Either that or your dunce cap has been jammed on too tightly.
I give up.

 

[bartman]

Oh god...not you too...did you even read my posts.

Far out...i'm sick of the people in here.

Not having a dig at you in particular with that Mick, but reading through some of the responses, that seemed to be the prevailing view, that the game/players don't have a problem or can't take responsibility, so lets focus more on the women/media.

It seems its wrong to make a balanced argument where you can say its all the player's fault...but can't say...well while the players are absolute stupid, immoral pigs...there are other contributing factors to it as well...that don't condone what they did...but are just indicative of the sad state of affairs in society today. Because we can't have people present what the problems are for society in general that noone is doing anything about hey...

You can present it, sure. But you have to also consider that presenting it doesn't change anything. If we want the game we love to improve, survive, thrive, be attractive to a broader population, then we, players, clubs, the league have to face up to the issues instead of hide behind reasons, and change things about player conduct, because we simply can't change the media or society at large.

 

[Pete Cash]

i think whats hard with all this is that it's such a massive grey area. everyone has a different idea of what's appropriate and what isn't.

for me personally i think group sex is gross and it's not something i would ever wanna be involved with (or one night stands in any context for that matter) but for others it's no big deal. sexual morality is so subjective, hence the constant arguing.

Group sex is fine if a person is into it. I am not one to regulate what a person can and can't do (although I think engaging in group sex with a stranger is asking for trouble potentially) BUT there is a big difference between group sex and what the woman claims happened in that room.

 

[bartman]

Haven't read the thread but heard abit about the story.
Let me get this right, she said 'yes' to Johns but no to the others?

I think she said yes to returning to the room with two guys (Firman and Johns), on the second night of them badgering her to do so.

But nothing was reported for consent with the others, nor the ones watching. And not enough grounds were found to lay charges though - hence the grey area that is bound to offend the morality of the wider population (families, kids/future players) that league needs to target.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

No you f**kwit - I was referring to your rantings generally not that specific post.

Keep tugging away on it!

So what you are saying is , that you never think of joining in group sex, even when you are on the turps with a few girls in your hotel room, you think that groups sex is immoral & nobody should do it , especially league players, that there is no such thing that women use the players or the NRL to advance their career or seek financial reward & that all NRL players should be holding the moral high ground for society be married , have 2 children, the white picket fence, pray for forgiveness for swearing at Phil gould etc etc.

Put your glasses back on nerd boy, its not your wonderful world, its my wonderful world.
BTW in case you change your mind & have a crack at a bun or a groupie, would you like to hear some secrets & etiquette rules on group sex???

 

[Timmah]

So I've got to be clearer but the rest of you are OK to skim read? :lol: FMD, this is a discussion, read it or don't take part.

Opinion as fact bart? Where have I said what I'm saying is fact? I've in fact very carefully avoided using the word fact because it's all hearsay. Just like so many accusations are. The benefit of the doubt always lies with the woman when allegations are reported, even if the alleged perpetrator is innocent - unfortunately.

 

[Big Mick]

:lol: So many people skim read, and others don't read at all just dribble utter crap and commence rocking in the corner.

You get used to it after a while.

Unfortunately i'm beginning to see that.

I just can't escape one thought from my mind..

Taking away who blames who...what situation is what..

Everyone should think about this....How many kids are going to be pulled out of Rugby League teams as a result of this? The answer...alot...and alot more than a lot of people think.

 

[Vicious]

You didn't watch the show at all did you? Either that or your dunce cap has been jammed on too tightly.
I give up.

Yeah I watched the interview, she never once said anything about asking anyone to "STOP". She give me the impression she was phsychotic long before any of this happened. Seven years later, the goverment handouts aren`t enough and this is an opportunity to bring it all back up and make some quick cash !

 

[Timmah]

i think whats hard with all this is that it's such a massive grey area. everyone has a different idea of what's appropriate and what isn't.

for me personally i think group sex is gross and it's not something i would ever wanna be involved with (or one night stands in any context for that matter) but for others it's no big deal. sexual morality is so subjective, hence the constant arguing.

very well said. Many have a differing opinion of what's sexually acceptable. Personally I don't think the reporting of consensual sex, whether it involves 2, 4, 6, 12 people, or 1 even person - is something moral in itself but the media seems to think it's ok to do.