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McCallum and Mascord on NRL refereeing standards

Saxon

Bench
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My 4 step system

1. Get rid of the mics on the referees. If you absolutely must hear what they are saying, then introduce an NFL type system, where after a penalty or score/non score the ref turns on his mic and addresses the crowd; "Brisbane - knock on in goal. 20 metre restart Newcastle".

2. Get rid of 'interpretation'. Ref to the rules, not some ever changing idea of what the Refs boss thinks people want to see.

3. Penalise, penalise and penalise some more. Penalise the f*ck out of them.
Offside? Penalise.
Interference at the play the ball? Penalise.
Play the ball facing the sideline? Walking off the mark? Penalise.
Being James Maloney? Penalise. (Oops, sorry. got carried away.)
Late and high? Send off.

Sure people will say, "It's ruining the game", but by week 3 you will see a marked improvement, and by week 6 we'll be back to about the number of penalties we have now with a much cleaner, smooth flowing game.

4. Most important. Put Tony Archer on a slow boat to that island that Robinson Crusoe was wrecked on.
 

Pedge1971

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James Graham on 360 arguing that no-one wants to watch 13 on 12

Anything goes then!

The simple way around the arguments of 13 on 12 is unfair and not sending off a player is unfair when the opponent is put out of the game is this.

Send off the player for the game so the team is one down on the bench. Allow a replacement on after 20 mins.

It punishes the offending team enough to deter dirty tactics but not enough to destroy the overall contest if it happens early.

The refs also won't be too afraid to call it.
 

skeepe

Immortal
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Wow this is just... fascinatingly messed up.

Archer has dropped the pocket referee and the assistant video referee because the incident occurred in backplay.

I dont know where to start..
Is it not the main referees job to make a call? If not why not?
Also the bloke has no less than 5 voices in his ear advising him.. no wonder the merkins hesitate.
And how is backplay defined as half a second after passing the ball????

Sack this dopey merkin now


https://www.sportsnews.com.au/nrl/nrl-drops-officials-over-soliola-incident/395330

Yep, Checcin gets off scot-free because nobody told him what the right decision was.

Modern refereeing in a nutshell.

skeepe's plan for fixing refereeing is as follows:

1. Make the markers stand behind each other, not side by side.

2. Make the tackled player rise to his feet before placing the ball on the ground. Will eliminate a lot of the messy 50/50's we have today.

3. Bring back the 5 minute sin bin, and use it for all deliberate penalties. I'm sick of seeing defenders hold on to the tackled player with absolutely no intention of letting go until a penalty is blown.

4. Bring back the send off, and instruct referees to enforce it as per the laws of the game.

5. Penalise any player that moves off their trajectory to block a chaser. There was a kick on the weekend where Cameron Munster ran 10 metres and then dived forward just to get in the path of a chaser. How did we get to this point?

I could go on and on, but it's actually all summed up in 4 words:

Enforce the f**king rules.
 
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The following article was posted on ESPN's website -

Underachieving coaches trying to deflect from their own failures - Kimmorley
24 Jul, 2017
by Brett Kimmorley ESPN NRL

I think it is pretty obvious that the most noise about the quality of refereeing is coming from the two coaches who are struggling the most. Ricky Stuart and Des Hasler are in charge of two of the most disappointing, underachieving teams in the NRL, and they can only be trying to deflect the attention away from themselves by attacking the whistle blowers.

Stuart has been the most vocal, calling for the referees to be more accountable after his side went down in a close one to the Storm. Let's be clear, there weren't any calls that cost the Raiders victory in that game and I think Stuart was being disrespectful in taking a shot at the referees.

If Stuart had his way, the referees would face the media after every game to explain every contentious decision. Stuart's Raiders have all but missed the finals now, after being tipped to give the premiership a real shake this year, and he is trying to create a different headline.

Hasler had the hide to mention the referees again after his team was completely outclassed by the Broncos on Thursday night. His Bulldogs went into that game with the third-best defensive record, but a complete inability to score points. By the end of the night, their defence was in tatters as well and it had nothing to do with the officials. So in the post-match interview, Hasler said he shouldn't speak about the referees, inferring that they played a part in yet another horrible display by his Bulldogs. It seems both coaches would rather face a fine than publicly confront the real issues at their clubs.

One of the biggest reasons for sheltering the referees from the media and criticism from coaches is that we need young referees to continue coming through the ranks, otherwise we don't have a game. There is a big difference between being accountable and being open to constant attacks from all angles.

I think the officials have done a very good job this year with minimal major mistakes. If anything is to change, then perhaps Tony Archer could face the media on a more regular basis to explain changes in interpretations or things the referees are working on or are planning to crack down on.

Ironically the biggest mistake made by the officials during the Canberra-Melbourne game was the failure to send Raiders forward Sia Soliola off for his high shot on Billy Slater. Slater may have lowered his height before contact, but he never changed his angle and I thought Soliola had him lined up and his arm was always going to make full-on contact. If that was not a send-off offence, then I have no idea what is. Thankfully Archer has since clarified things a little by saying that he should have been sent from the field.

More has to be done to protect the smaller players in our game, because most of the time they are the playmakers. If we don't have the playmakers in our game, it will become a field full of forwards charging into each other and battling to win the play-the-ball. Late and high shots have to be stamped out because it discourages the smaller players from coming through.

We should also reconsider having an 18th player to come into the team when someone is taken out of the game the way Slater was. Rugby league is tough enough with a full squad of 17 sharing the workload -- it becomes so much harder when you lose a player to foul play or to a concussion test. Every club dresses and warms up several extra players in case something happens before the game. Those players could remain on standby to step in as the 18th player when needed.

The game can always be improved with minor changes here and there - but what we don't need is referees being constantly attacked week after week by coaches who should be more focussed on improving the way they do their own jobs.
 

adamkungl

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It's just such a f**king ridiculous comment and illustrates everything wrong with the game?

Don't want to see 13 on 12? Easy solution: don't commit personal or professional fouls!

I want to watch 13 on 12.

Few more interesting situations in a game.

Most team sports in the world have a 'powerplay' situation. Most of which have less players than 13 making it a larger advatange.
 

OldPanther

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Not only is it a bad look, it can interfere with the play. I'm sure there was an incident years ago when a ref called a Bronco defender out for being off side by saying " stay out of it Corey". Problem was Corey Parker and Corey Norman were defending next to each other and they both stopped.

It happened on the weekend. The ref said stay out of it Mark and it was Matt from the Tigers and he got a penalty.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Don't see why they can't send a player off but kerp it at 13-13 if they're really that concerned about a 13-12 game ruining the spectacle.
 

adamkungl

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Defeats the whole purpose of a send off. Can you imagine - send a fringe first grader on to take out the opposition's best player in a Grand Final? Who's worse off?

yeah I'm buggered as to why people keep suggesting softer options. It's just another way for refs to avoid a controversial way out, which is the exact problem we're arguing about now.
 

SharkShocked

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I can't f**king hack Mascord - i used to have a lot of time for him, but now he's just a whinging commentator about people blaming referees for everything.

Yes people over do the refsfaulting...

But the standard of refereeing is at it's worst i've ever seen it in many many years.

Mostly because referees now 'game manage' rather than referee the f**king game.
 
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I can't f**king hack Mascord - i used to have a lot of time for him, but now he's just a whinging commentator about people blaming referees for everything.

Yes people over do the refsfaulting...

But the standard of refereeing is at it's worst i've ever seen it in many many years.

Mostly because referees now 'game manage' rather than referee the f**king game.

People have been saying that about the standard of refereeing since the days of Greg Hartley was actively refereeing, and I'll bet were saying it before then too.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Defeats the whole purpose of a send off. Can you imagine - send a fringe first grader on to take out the opposition's best player in a Grand Final? Who's worse off?

What is the purpose of a send off? To send the player off, no?

This purposefully targeting a player is always the flawed argument, but how is it really any different to what happened in with Soliola and Slater? Who was worse off?

If there is zero threat of a send off then why get a fringe first grader to do it when anybody could?

When it's a GF do you really think anyone will care if that player gets a 5 week suspension after the event?

If the refs are determined to keep it at 13 v 13 on the field then what's your solution? Let the guy get off scot free because reasons?
 

T-Boon

Coach
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The game just has to return to being about the players, not the referees . . .

The refs job has been made difficult by Bellamy and his manipulation of the ruck. The ruck should be a non factor in the game and the refs should not have to spare a thought about it. Instead they are constantly trying to think about what is going on in there. Did somebody twist something? Is that fourth guy in on top in time?
 

T-Boon

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The problem isn't the rules, its the severity (and to some degree variability) of the punishment. Penalties are game deciding and often completely out of whack for the severity of the crime. 40+ meters and 6 more tackles for a minor ruck infringement?

Exactly.
Because of the severity of penalties refs have a far bigger impact on the game than most players on the field. They are basically opportunity creators.
If your team is on the attack inside the red zone it is almost always going to be because the ref found a penalty in the ruck for something a minute ago.
It should be something like: A ruck penalty equals advance or retreat 20 metres (depending who it goes against) no restart of the count.
 

POPEYE

Coach
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The refs job has been made difficult by Bellamy and his manipulation of the ruck. The ruck should be a non factor in the game and the refs should not have to spare a thought about it. Instead they are constantly trying to think about what is going on in there. Did somebody twist something? Is that fourth guy in on top in time?
All the referees have to do is penalise Melbourne when they resort to manipulating the ruck, like they should have done in the Raiders game when the Storm held Sticky's mob down far too long in tackles

I don't expect a dope like you to understand that if that happened Bellamy would be made to adjust to win another, more difficult way . . . you do realise the game's all about adjusting don't you, something Bellamy can and Sticky can't do
 

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