Minichello should have got rep player of the year

[The Devil]

What i meant was whats the point of stopping SOME tries, as you said Mini and King stopped a whole HEAP of tries.. but not all.

Sure stopping tries is important, but whats more important is putting points on the board for your own team. No point making 2 try saving tackles but letting one in and not scoring anything at all.

Johns put the points on the board.

 

[bluesbreaker]

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Did you actually watch the first game.

You can't always judge a performance on stat's alone. Mini was all over the place with King at the back they were run off their feet and stopped a heap of tries.

I too thought King was Man of the series but the point of this is that when mini played so well in a loosing team - get's tri series best player and SOO best player you would think that would be enough.

Billy

First of all, the Tri Nations means sweet fanny adams, as it was LAST YEAR, and it isn't taken into consideration.

Next, as I mentioned, Minicello made 3 tackles the ENTIRE match, bullsh*t did he save a 'heap of tries', don't sell me that line when you've got nothing backing it up.

Lastly, Johns played awesome in both games 2 and 3, Minicello was awful in game 1, and average in 2 and 3.

As I said before, SOO was lost without Johns. Minicello was NOT the lynchpin for success, Johns was.

 

[gregstar]

the whole f*cking system needs an overhaul.

each coach should submit a list of his top three performers midweek following each game. coaches know better than anyone who deserves credit.

 

[Mr Saab]

First of all, the Tri Nations means sweet fanny adams, as it was LAST YEAR, and it isn't taken into consideration.

it should be though.
The Dally M Calender yr should be between sept 2004-rnd 26 2005.
Mini should have won it.
Anyway, the system is crap as greg wrote, and needs to be changed.
I mean people like James Hooper and Karl De Kroo are part of the voting system Karl De Kroo!!!!!!

 

[Billy Gunn]

First of all, the Tri Nations means sweet fanny adams, as it was LAST YEAR, and it isn't taken into consideration.

Next, as I mentioned, Minicello made 3 tackles the ENTIRE match, bullsh*t did he save a 'heap of tries', don't sell me that line when you've got nothing backing it up.

Lastly, Johns played awesome in both games 2 and 3, Minicello was awful in game 1, and average in 2 and 3.

As I said before, SOO was lost without Johns. Minicello was NOT the lynchpin for success, Johns was.

All good teams to win need a strong half - you don't need to tell Roosters supporters as it is the difference for us in making the semi's this year and not.

We will have to agree to disagree on two points Mini was above average in all three games. Remember when our useless front row couldn't get us out of our 20 let alone make yards the Blues were under attack all half and had it not been for Mini and King the game would have been a flogging.

Secondly Johns in SOO was IMO only average because that was all that was needed to but the QLD'ers away. I did not say that he had a bad game but was far from a standout.

BUt my overall point if I am confusing you is similar to others who agree that the awards have no criteria and that most times popular players get awards over those who's performances are more consistant throught the year.

 

[The Devil]

People remember flashes of brilliance more than consistency.

I'm not saying Minichiello can't show that flash of brilliance, nor am i saying Johns is not consistent.

But displays of brilliance will get remembered more than consistency.

Johns played awesome in Origin II but was more quiet in Origin III yet had a hand in most of the tries scored. An average game by Joey kills a great game by a lesser HB

 

[Billy Gunn]

People remember flashes of brilliance more than consistency.

I'm not saying Minichiello can't show that flash of brilliance, nor am i saying Johns is not consistent.

But displays of brilliance will get remembered more than consistency.

Johns played awesome in Origin II but was more quiet in Origin III yet had a hand in most of the tries scored. An average game by Joey kills a great game by a lesser HB

I think I understand your point.

Let me say this when I was watching the Dally M awards I found myself hating Johns because I like everyone else thought he was going to get awarded Player of the year and I didn't think he deserved it.

Then I thought this is silly to think like that when you remember the performance of SOO (Best individual performance of any player in any game I have seen)

So what makes non - Johns fan's feel this way

I'll tell you when he gets rewarded for average performances and that's why the standard joke is....... who got three points today? Answer Johns!!!, but he wasn't playing!!!!....doesn't matter give it too him anyway. I know that is pretty lame but I wish he was judged according to each performance not on reputation.

 

[The Devil]

But you can't honestly say that he did not deserve to get ANY points in any of the games he played.

In many of the games he played extremely well.

I agree some of the points he was awarded were condusing, but in other matches (i think the knights win over the cowboys) he didnt get the amount of points he should have (btw im not sure on that, so dont quote me on that)

More ex-players should be giving out the points and less journo's that know f*ck all.

I agree the Dally M's are becoming more and more a farce, but Johns is a great player and deserves the accolades he receives

 

[Billy Gunn]

Your exactly right in everything you said (not sure about the Cow's game) It's the times that he does get the points when he wasn't a standout that makes supported frustrated.

With Johns this has been happening for a few years and it it sad really because in an ironic way this makes supporters of other clubs talk him down more than he should and always be critical.

I think the ref's and a combination of Joun'os and players should award the points.

 

[The Devil]

I think the ref's and a combination of Joun'os and players should award the points.

A mix of journo's and players already cast the votes, with Laurie Daley and Scott Sattler 2 ex-players.

I believe there should be a whole separate panel for the Dally M points. Where there is hopefully no bias or favouritism.

 

[bluesbreaker]

There were as many performances by Johns where he got less points than he should've as there was the other way around. Straight off the top of my head, 1 versus Cowboys, 2 versus Parra, 1 against the Dogs? Please, 3 for all of them as he was far and away the best player on the field. I'm fairly sure he only got 2 for the Storm game, yet it was a perfect 10 (apparently?).

Similiarly, 3 versus the Saints when he should've got 1 or 2. So it works both ways.

Did I just hear Minicello was consistent? Maybe consistently making more handling errors (4 in the first game, 2 in the second, 3 in the third) and completing less tackles than anyone else in the entire series including Lockyer. Some of you have very strange ideas on what consistent is and isn't. All of Mini's tries from 2 were through Johns brilliance, so I don't see how you can say he was better in SOO than Johns.

 

[bluesbreaker]

And I agree to a certain extent about the Dally M's, but it's not like anyone on here knows more about league than the Journos...

 

[The Devil]

Straight off the top of my head, 1 versus Cowboys,

Thanks BB, i was pretty sure it was the cowboys, but not 100% sure