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[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Yanto,

Name one league supporter who has been banned from a rugby union forum? Or to put it another way, why don't you come onto Planet Rugby and try to get yourself banned for saying anything you like against rugby union, and for rugby league?

As for "honesty", tell me about rugby league in Singapore?

I can't speak for Yanto but....

You obviously don't spend much time in LU's Union forum.

Why do you think TFC exists?

As for going to Planet Buggery, why would any League supporter go there, it's not like there's anything interesting to read.......

Now, why are you here again?

 

[russ13]

EA said:

.It has no FTA in Australia, gets slaughtered by the NRL on payTV and boasts a season crowd aggregate in Australia of about 490,000

Actually for 2005 this figure was 392,057.

TOTAL AVG HIGH LOW
'03 393,000 24,563 35,612 16,577
'04 454,784 25,266 42,237 11,773
'05 392,057 26,137 39,363 10,482
1,239,841 25,303 42,237 10,482

http://www.austadiums.com/sport/comp.php?sid=5

 

[Woods99]

Well, one thing is for sure. Unless you guys sharpen up your debating skills, the only world you will ever rule is the one at the end of your right hand.

 

[Green Machine]

Woods,



With you spending so many time on rugby League Web Sites, you are most definitely a great mass-debater,

 

[screeny]

Well, one thing is for sure. Unless you guys sharpen up your debating skills, the only world you will ever rule is the one at the end of your right hand.

What an unbelievable coincidence.....at exactly the same time I was reading your post my right arm was extended and pointing to an open pictorial atlas on the page showing the entire world.

Surely that's a sign?!

 

[CAS]

Well, one thing is for sure. Unless you guys sharpen up your debating skills, the only world you will ever rule is the one at the end of your right hand.

We ARE debating, its called putting Numpties like you in your place. Now why have you or your Bum Chum still NOT referred back to the France thread?

I can only assume that in between looking at women on the Internet (maybe you will meet a Real one one day) this is a form of Amusement for you. You have lost every Argument so far, and are frankly an Embarrasment to the many genuine and decent Union Fans out there, i would suggest less time tugging over your George Gregan Posters and more time Knowing your Subject matter.

 

[YANTO]

Yanto,

Name one league supporter who has been banned from a rugby union forum? Or to put it another way, why don't you come onto Planet Rugby and try to get yourself banned for saying anything you like against rugby union, and for rugby league?

As for "honesty", tell me about rugby league in Singapore?

The Singapore set up has been honest.They never said they were going to take on the world but play some "League".
No problems with that.

If you lived in the real world you would know all about union trying to kill League of world wide.
But thats another debate.

I suppose being banned of a union board has little comparison to being banned from the union game for playing league.
When I signed proffessional back in the late 70's I was banned from setting foot on any union ground and even banned from my own union club.

Even now in countries taking up league on a small scale the union biggots (and yes thats what they are) are trying their best to put league development down.

Example a Rugby playing country that does not include the Union in its title and have it written into their constitution to "support and develop all forms of rugby" have refused to assist despite getting funding from the goverment "to support and develop all forms of rutgby"

Now are they breaking their own constitution???

Are they breaking the goverment funding organisations instructions?

They have two choices.
Either comply with their constitution and "support all forms of rugby" or declare to the Goverment funding board that league and Union are seperate sports therefore allowing League to apply for funding as an independant authority.

What have they done?
NOTHING so the goverment still wont recognise league as an independant organisation and the Union are therefore deliberatly stopping league developing.

As a foot note woods99 I played union and league to a decent standard (top class professional for 10 1/2 years at league) and have coached both codes with some success.
I am your real deal "duel coded guy" who is head coach of a first divison union club in the winter and an organiser of league in the summer.
So my friend, please do not think I am some bumpkin who doesnt know what he is taking about.
I have witnessed and been involved in blatent union biggotry for over 30 years mate.

 

[brendothejet]

I think there is many a person like you who has experienced both sides of the rugby coin.

Some blokes just have to argue.

 

[Woods99]

Yanto,

The basic issue between rugby union and rugby league in Australia was the issue of amateurism. I played both games, watched both games, and was never aware of bigotry as such, although I was aware of, and deplored, the notion that professionals were not allowed to be part of a rugby club.

My own club, Eastwood, had at least one sorry episode of rampant amateurism when Michael Cleary was denied membership because he had become a professional. This was stupidity, but given that Michael was a former Wallaby, and also the local Member of State Parliament, it was hardly bigotry.

Relations between the two codes, apart from the thorny issue of amateurism, have always been pretty good in Sydney, until probably the last few years, when rugby union has started to become a bit of a threat, and until John O'Neill's stupid attacks on rugby league.

The most important aspect of sport is that all kids should be encouraged to play something, partly to get fit, partly to develop their social skills, and partly because some kids who are not much good at other things will have some sporting skills to help with their self-esteem. And because boys with no man in their life - and there are a lot of single-parent families nowadays - have an opportunity to have a relationship with a male coach, and the fathers of their team-mates.

My posts here about rugby league are based on three things. Firstly, because I grew up in what is the centre of rugby league world-wide, Sydney, I am interested in the interactions between the two rugby codes and their supporters, and in the playing out of history which, in my view, will lead to a merged code. I also think that it is extremely important that rugby league continues its efforts to improve the image of the game both off and on the field, for the sake of the kids who follow it and play it.

Secondly, while you might not like this, there is a fair bit of wishful thinking here about rugby league and its actual and potential status as an international sport, and I enjoy putting forward what I think is a realistic oppositional viewpoint.

Thirdly, I happen to think that most of us are probably decent human beings, and I try to debate all of you in an intelligent and respectful way. It is possible to disagree without insulting others, or using bad language. And that is what I try to do.

 

[taipan]

No one has the product Yanto ! Its what you do with that product that counts .

Well they must be sticking the product down the dunny,if you go by club union crowds-a competition in existence for over 100 years.;-)

 

[taipan]

Yanto,

The basic issue between rugby union and rugby league in Australia was the issue of amateurism. I played both games, watched both games, and was never aware of bigotry as such, although I was aware of, and deplored, the notion that professionals were not allowed to be part of a rugby club.

My own club, Eastwood, had at least one sorry episode of rampant amateurism when Michael Cleary was denied membership because he had become a professional. This was stupidity, but given that Michael was a former Wallaby, and also the local Member of State Parliament, it was hardly bigotry.

Relations between the two codes, apart from the thorny issue of amateurism, have always been pretty good in Sydney, until probably the last few years, when rugby union has started to become a bit of a threat, and until John O'Neill's stupid attacks on rugby league.

The most important aspect of sport is that all kids should be encouraged to play something, partly to get fit, partly to develop their social skills, and partly because some kids who are not much good at other things will have some sporting skills to help with their self-esteem. And because boys with no man in their life - and there are a lot of single-parent families nowadays - have an opportunity to have a relationship with a male coach, and the fathers of their team-mates.

My posts here about rugby league are based on three things. Firstly, because I grew up in what is the centre of rugby league world-wide, Sydney, I am interested in the interactions between the two rugby codes and their supporters, and in the playing out of history which, in my view, will lead to a merged code. I also think that it is extremely important that rugby league continues its efforts to improve the image of the game both off and on the field, for the sake of the kids who follow it and play it.

Secondly, while you might not like this, there is a fair bit of wishful thinking here about rugby league and its actual and potential status as an international sport, and I enjoy putting forward what I think is a realistic oppositional viewpoint.

Thirdly, I happen to think that most of us are probably decent human beings, and I try to debate all of you in an intelligent and respectful way. It is possible to disagree without insulting others, or using bad language. And that is what I try to do.

Amateurism was a thorn between the 2 codes in the past,however even today bitterness by union people in France against rugby league continues to fester.Apart from the john o'Neill's of this world there has been the usual derogative remarks against rugby league eg John Connolly ,Phil Harry ,Bob Dwyer,Campese,radio jocks,Carlton Fitzsimons,journos Derriman,Zavos,Jenkins,Smith,the attitude of the admins and some teachers in private schools,so it is still ever present,and to suggest otherwise is ignorance.I have played league at a state school and union at a private school,been there done that,so have experienced attitudes towards league.
I think all codes should improve their image on and off the field apart from rugby league,after reading on friday a former Wallaby Tony Daly was booked over the limit on the harbour bridge.
Your posts on intnl rugby league are always cynical,realistic ? when you watch 4 minutes of league please:lol: ,sorry but its a fact.We are talking about growing the game from a small base,and never pretended to make out it was huge.Your comments in the past about rugby league not existing in Ireland ,were thrown out with the bathwater.
Whether you like to face the truth or not,rugby league is played in more countries than at any time of its existence.It is now better placed financially than at any time of its existence,and this is so in England also.
Therefore QED it is a far better position to grow the game within and outside this country,and consequently as it has a strong product in oz,has at times a better TV viewing audience than union for club games in the UK,the chances of codes merging are about as likely as Mark Latham becoming the governor general.Sorry to disappoint.
We are all decent human beings ,and that is why I guess the great bulk of us ,dont waste time making comments on union sites.

 

[Woods99]

Amateurism was a thorn between the 2 codes in the past,however even today bitterness by union people in France against rugby league continues to fester.Apart from the john o'Neill's of this world there has been the usual derogative remarks against rugby league eg John Connolly ,Phil Harry ,Bob Dwyer,Campese,radio jocks,Carlton Fitzsimons,journos Derriman,Zavos,Jenkins,Smith,the attitude of the admins and some teachers in private schools,so it is still ever present,and to suggest otherwise is ignorance.I have played league at a state school and union at a private school,been there done that,so have experienced attitudes towards league.

France again.:roll: And in Ireland, the national rugby union team comprises, and is supported by, people from both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, Catholics and Protestants alike. If the flipping Irish can forget their differences in the name of sport perhaps the problem is the French per se, not the sport of rugby union.

Taipan, commentators, shock jocks, newspaper columnists, ex-players, etc etc are entitled to say whatever they like in a democracy. I don't like some of what I read or hear, but that is the price we pay for freedom of speech. Has it actually occurred to you that people who have a poor opinion of rugby league have sound reasons for holding that opinion? Or do you believe that rugby league is above criticism?

I think all codes should improve their image on and off the field apart from rugby league,after reading on friday a former Wallaby Tony Daly was booked over the limit on the harbour bridge.

Would you not agree that rugby league has to improve its image far more than rugby union? I googled "Tony Daly drink driving" and got nothing. But full marks for not falling back on the Cameron Shepherd incident, or the Brumbies in South Africa a few years ago. On the other hand, just last week two current players were fined by their club for "drunken and obnoxious behaviour" at the Erskineville Bowling Club, and just today Paul Sheehan in the SMH reminded his readers of Reni Matua's shameful involvement in the bashing and kicking of an off-duty police officer.

Your posts on intnl rugby league are always cynical,realistic ? when you watch 4 minutes of league please:lol: ,sorry but its a fact.We are talking about growing the game from a small base,and never pretended to make out it was huge.Your comments in the past about rugby league not existing in Ireland ,were thrown out with the bathwater.

Rugby league can exist anywhere that 30 or 40 blokes can be found who are prepared to play it. I have questionned the existence of rugby league in Singapore, I do not recall questionning its existence in Ireland, although I think even you would agree that it did not exist there at the time of the last RLWC, even though it had a team.

Yes, international rugby league is starting again from a very small base....you don't get much smaller than to cancel a World Cup, do you? However, international rugby league used to be very important back in the 50's, 60's, and even into the 70's. What happened to it?

Whether you like to face the truth or not,rugby league is played in more countries than at any time of its existence.It is now better placed financially than at any time of its existence,and this is so in England also.
Therefore QED it is a far better position to grow the game within and outside this country,and consequently as it has a strong product in oz,has at times a better TV viewing audience than union for club games in the UK,the chances of codes merging are about as likely as Mark Latham becoming the governor general.Sorry to disappoint.
We are all decent human beings ,and that is why I guess the great bulk of us ,dont waste time making comments on union sites.

Taipan, whilever the NRL is the centre of the rugby league world, the international game will only ever exist as a fringe sport. Even you can see that, can't you?

 

[taipan]

France again.:roll: And in Ireland, the national rugby union team comprises, and is supported by, people from both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, Catholics and Protestants alike. If the flipping Irish can forget their differences in the name of sport perhaps the problem is the French per se, not the sport of rugby union.

Taipan, commentators, shock jocks, newspaper columnists, ex-players, etc etc are entitled to say whatever they like in a democracy. I don't like some of what I read or hear, but that is the price we pay for freedom of speech. Has it actually occurred to you that people who have a poor opinion of rugby league have sound reasons for holding that opinion? Or do you believe that rugby league is above criticism?



Would you not agree that rugby league has to improve its image far more than rugby union? I googled "Tony Daly drink driving" and got nothing. But full marks for not falling back on the Cameron Shepherd incident, or the Brumbies in South Africa a few years ago. On the other hand, just last week two current players were fined by their club for "drunken and obnoxious behaviour" at the Erskineville Bowling Club, and just today Paul Sheehan in the SMH reminded his readers of Reni Matua's shameful involvement in the bashing and kicking of an off-duty police officer.



Rugby league can exist anywhere that 30 or 40 blokes can be found who are prepared to play it. I have questionned the existence of rugby league in Singapore, I do not recall questionning its existence in Ireland, although I think even you would agree that it did not exist there at the time of the last RLWC, even though it had a team.

Yes, international rugby league is starting again from a very small base....you don't get much smaller than to cancel a World Cup, do you? However, international rugby league used to be very important back in the 50's, 60's, and even into the 70's. What happened to it?



Taipan, whilever the NRL is the centre of the rugby league world, the international game will only ever exist as a fringe sport. Even you can see that, can't you?

Dont remember the Irish knocking off each others properties,its the French union at times which perpetuate this animosity to rugby league in that country .So Woods99 French rugby union is still part of the problem. Union is blameless in France yep sums it up.
Daly story was in the Daily Telegraph either thursday or friday of last week.Under the heading Dope #2.I have no reason to make it up.
It has also occurred to me that people are also entitled to hold opinions against misdeeds in union,and not openly deny they ever happened.I have never shied away from problems within rugby league,its a pity some unionites dont apply the same formula.People/journos/admins are entitled to their opinions in a democracy ,but if they invariably get it wrong prepare for egg on face.
Yep you are correct about the Souths players all out in the open,fined and publicised no covering up. Its amazing how when one brings up France and a matter of justice,the old discipline problems and the rugby league's perceived image is brought up by you.Great sidestep coming from a follower of a code which embraced apartheid in SA .
You are correct Ireland did not play league ATT of the 2000WC it does now,sorry to report there is a competition which has a damn side more than 30 or 40 players.From memory 11-12 clubs.Then again if union has 30-40 players in a country,by golly its part of the 130 countries who play the game,and dont anyone forget it.
The 2008 WC is on not cancelled,the 2004 WC was cancelled due to financial losses in 2000,and the fact tha some PI countries were left out of pocket from the 2000WC(which was particularlybadly organised).The English rugby league was left with a big debt,now repaid,and they have made a profit over the last 3 years,they get govt support for development and they are growing at a rapid rate.
Intnl rugby league may not have been given the respect it was due(that is changing now),but I can remember crowds in the 80s at Wembley and Elland Road of 70,000 and 45,000 plus respectively,against a very competitive GB side one involving Johnathan Davies scoring a try.I seem to remember a Kiwi side winning this years tri series,receiving front page news in Wellington and Christchurch.
A small base so what ,every sport has to start from a small base.Brilliant observation.:lol:
Ill tell you what is happening to it international rugby league plans as follows:-
2006 May Anzac Test in Oz.France to tour Oz and NZ,tri nations in Oz and NZ
2007 May Anzac test in NZ NZ v Oz in Wellington (provisional).NZ ALL GOLDS
tour to Britain and France
2008 World Cup in Oz-(get used to it)
2009 Tri Nations in Britain
2010 Lions tour to Oz and NZ
2011 Tri nations in Sthn Hemisphere
2012 World Cup in Britain.
This in addition to the Woods99 "NRL centre of the league universe" babble,in addition to SOO.
That is a packed programme.International rugby league will NOT remain a fringe sport(despite your wishes),as both the ESL and NRL/ARL who now have more money to throw around,plus the wishes of the NZRL and FRL to grow the game internationally.Thats why the French now have John Monie as their coach.That is why a French team is in Super league,and a Welsh and another French team is a moral in the next few years to join them.The NRL/SOO/Intnl will all be on FTA TV,the union tests only will be on FTA,sad isnt it.