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Murali's doosra illegal

NPK

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Just saw on Sunrise news that although the official report is not out yet, it is claimed that his doosra is illegal as he bends his arm 10 degrees, which is twice as much as allowed.
Sri Lankan cricket will ask the ICC to change the rule rather than make Murali stop bowling the doosra.

How many wickets did Murali take illegally???
 

El Diablo

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Change the rules :roll:

Why the hell should the ICC allow chucking??

We'll see if they've got enough balls to ban the delivery. If not then cricket is fast becoming a joke.
 

Matt23

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I'm sure the ICC would be declared "racist" if they did'nt allow him to, El Duque :roll:
 

Twizzle

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How can they ban a delivery.

Who will call it a no ball, the umpires can't call it. Thay cannot call the action of the bowler while llooking to see where his feet land, then look up at the batsman.

If he continues to bowl the illegal doozra, he can only be reported by the match referee, as Chris Broad did.

You cannot possible ban a delivery, it cannot be policed.

They either change the rules, or ban the bowler. None of which they have the balls to do.

So as usual nothing will happen.
 

Cricketer

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Twizzle said:
How can they ban a delivery.

Who will call it a no ball, the umpires can't call it. Thay cannot call the action of the bowler while llooking to see where his feet land, then look up at the batsman.

If he continues to bowl the illegal doozra, he can only be reported by the match referee, as Chris Broad did.

You cannot possible ban a delivery, it cannot be policed.

They either change the rules, or ban the bowler. None of which they have the balls to do.

So as usual nothing will happen.
He's usually called the Square Leg Umpire, dont know if you have ever heard of him before. Anyway, if the delivery can be banned thats good. If not, lets move on. I agree that Murali is a chucker and always has been. Bit late to pull him from the game now. He will always have a question mark over his name and the record. If they kick him out, there goes Sri Lanka who we need in cricket for the game to keep expanding. We know Ranatunga (fat merkin) keeps going on about racism, but he never mentions that we never complained about Courtney Walsh and he was black - the difference there was the Courtney bowled legally and was and still is a champion.
 

Macca

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It's never too late to ban a cheat. Ban the ball, ban the chucker and strip him of every test wicket he has ever taken.
 

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Cricketer said:
Twizzle said:
How can they ban a delivery.

Who will call it a no ball, the umpires can't call it. Thay cannot call the action of the bowler while llooking to see where his feet land, then look up at the batsman.

If he continues to bowl the illegal doozra, he can only be reported by the match referee, as Chris Broad did.

You cannot possible ban a delivery, it cannot be policed.

They either change the rules, or ban the bowler. None of which they have the balls to do.

So as usual nothing will happen.
He's usually called the Square Leg Umpire, dont know if you have ever heard of him before. Anyway, if the delivery can be banned thats good. If not, lets move on. I agree that Murali is a chucker and always has been. Bit late to pull him from the game now. He will always have a question mark over his name and the record. If they kick him out, there goes Sri Lanka who we need in cricket for the game to keep expanding. We know Ranatunga (fat merkin) keeps going on about racism, but he never mentions that we never complained about Courtney Walsh and he was black - the difference there was the Courtney bowled legally and was and still is a champion.

Appreciate your sarcasm, man after my own heart.

Tell me Mr Cricketer, where were Emerson and Daryl Hair standing, when they called Murili's no balls.

(Hint: They were not at square leg).
 

El Diablo

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from http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/...ECARDS/ENG_SL_CUODS_ODI8_23JAN1999_ET_MR.html

Emerson, one of three umpires to publicly label Muralitharan a chucker during Sri Lanka's visit to Australia three years ago, sparked off amazing scenes at the Adelaide Oval when he adjudged from square leg that the off-spinner's 10th ball, stroked for a single by Nick Knight through mid-off, from the Cathedral End was illegal. Emerson immediately signalled to Sri Lanka's captain Arjuna Ranatunga that it was the first ball he was unhappy with. He then left the players in no doubt about his position by pointing to his elbow.
 

NPK

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Geez...I saw this morning on the news that Murali apparently bowled about 20km/hour slower in the lab than he does playing real games. Dodgy!!!
 

Doctor

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NPK said:
Geez...I saw this morning on the news that Murali apparently bowled about 20km/hour slower in the lab than he does playing real games. Dodgy!!!

No surprises here. I'll bet you he even altered his doosra to make it legal.

Why would he, in his right mind, bowl an illegal ball in the testing nets? With the possibility of losing a wicket-taking delivery, or even being banned, why would he compromise this by actually bowling his "illegal" one.

If you ask me, they're all illegal. I haven't met an umpire who thinks Murali's action is legal. As an umpire myself, I would call him every time - his action is just what Darrel Hair said: "diabolical". How he gets away with it is beyond me.

Even if it is illegal - who here thinks he will continue playing anyway? [*Oswin sticks his hand up*]. There is no way one of history's most successful wicket-takers will be banned. Such a move would cripple Sri Lankan cricket, in the short term without Murali and in the long term as the hundreds of young-Muralis realise they too cannot get away with their chucking.

Murali's career is in no danger because the ICC is about as heavy handed and about as likely to put their foot down, as a four-time amputee. The ICC lacks credibility, but the dilapidation of the game is immeasurable. Cricket is going down the gurgler, and the ICC sit on their hands. :?
 

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The current situation is:

His action is illegal.

He is currently playing in Zimbadwe.

What effect did the reporting and testing have ?

None.

Why bother ?
 

Anonymous

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Maybe you all should have quit your moaning and conspiracy theories.

ICC outlaws Murali's doosra

Charlie Austin

April 21, 2004





Muttiah Muralitharan: the end of the doosra? © Getty Images



The ICC has effectively blackballed Muttiah Muralitharan's doosra, confirming that they are not about to increase the permitted five-degree tolerance level for spin bowlers to accommodate Muralitharan, and warned that he risks being reported and possibly banned if he continues to use the delivery.

The statement from the ICC - sent out before the receipt of an official report on Muralitharan's bowling - quashed the hopes of the Sri Lankan cricket board, who were confident of clearing Murali's doosra after biomechanists at the University of Western Australia had concluded that further research into the setting of tolerance levels for slow bowlers was urgently required.

But the ICC insist that the agreed tolerance levels must apply. "These current levels of tolerance are based on expert advice that suggests, beyond a certain level, bowlers will gain an unfair advantage," Malcolm Speed, the ICC's chief executive, said in the statement. "As recently as last September, the ICC reviewed these levels and all countries were in agreement that the current standards should remain in place."

"There has been some media speculation that because the ICC will be conducting further research into the actions of spinners, the current levels of tolerance should not be applied in this case. This suggestion lacks common sense. If, at some yet to be determined point in the future, and as a result of a proper research program, there is evidence to support a change to these regulations, then such a change will be considered."

But Bruce Elliott, the ICC-approved biomechanics expert who carried out the testing on Muralitharan's action, has strongly criticised the current thresholds, which he claims are based on "illogical data". Currently, fast bowlers (10 degrees) are allowed to bend their arms twice as much as spinners (five degrees).

"Most assuredly the five degrees [rule] is based on illogical data because they've just tested fast bowlers and assumed that there is some relationship between fast bowlers and spin bowlers," Elliott told reporters. "Fifteen degrees is the right angle to select for fast bowlers and you probably should come down to 10 degrees for spin bowlers."

Muralitharan had been advised by Sri Lanka cricket officials prior to the Zimbabwe tour to stop using the doosra until they had sought the advice of the ICC Technical Committee and officially recommended further research. But Muralitharan ignored that advice in the opening one-day international, bowling the delivery on a number of occasions.

Muralitharan cannot be reported again until the completion of the six-week Stage One of the ICC process for dealing with suspect actions, which ends after the five-match one-day series and mid-way through the first of two Tests. Should he be reported again, he then risks a possible 12-month ban.

The ICC statement also warned that if a bowler was reported for a second time within 12 months of the first report, "the ICC will convene a hearing of its own bowling review group, which has the power to impose a ban of up to 12 months should it determine that the bowler's action is illegal."


Courteousy of Cricinfo. I always said i'll support whatever decision the ICC makes, and so hopefully murali will stop using the doosra. Some of you lot are pathetic - fancy saying there was no point in something simply because you didn't like the outcome. Pathetic. Now you'll say how brilliant it is. :roll:
 

Macca

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It is still pathetic, he should be banned totally. How many wickets has he taken with this ILLEGAL delivery?
 

NPK

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People have talked about how Warne's achievements have been tainted by his diuretic ban (which in no way helped him get any wickets) - but Murali has taken wickets with an illegal delivery (I know many people think all his deliveries are illegal, but that's not the point) which he will keep. Surely his achievements have been tainted now.
 

Anonymous

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Banned totally. Get f**ked, it's the ICC's job, is he supposed to self police?

You're a f**king idiot.

What shits me is, Warne is a bigger cheat than Murali will ever be yet you all stroke his ego liked you'd bed him.
 

Macca

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He should definitley be stripped of the wickets he has taken with this ILLEGAL delivery. YThe ICC should have banned him when Hair called him.
 

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