Need Papua into the comp

[Dazraider]

I swear every 2nd month some moron brings this up, PNG aint gonna f#$king happen.

Well I want the game to expand and brunging in a country that has rugby league its national sport is not impossible.
If i was some rich dude id buy them myself.

A third world country can still make it in the NRL with the help of Australia to get them financially viable.
Id prefer my taxes go over there then spending on polititions airfares cavier and all other expenses they waste our tax on

 

[Dazraider]

I don't understand the logic of people suggesting a PNG side, FFS it's a third world country. Having a side there is not going to create any extra revenue for the game whatsoever. It's not going to increase money earned from tv deals etc. It would cost 20 million or so to set the team up initially, another 100 million to build a proper stadium, money that PNG should be spending elsewhere. They have absolutely no chance of making ends meet financially. If Melbourne lose 6 million a year, a PNG side would lose 15 million. There is also no long term gain from this idea whatsoever. If league was the national sport in Sierra Leone does that mean the NRL should have a team there?

The Logic is for entertainment,they are so exciting to watch with their speed strength and magic with the ball when it comes off.
I got no idea about the financial side really but the NRL needs to get other nations up to the standards of AUS,NZ and England and the only way that can happen is having a team playing in the high standard comp

 

[beave]

It's always worthy of a discussion beave.

Just ignore the next thread you see.

IMO, it's not possible now, but who knows what can develop in future decades.

Saying it will never happen is narrow minded.

you ever been to PNG Willow??

 

[nqcowboy87]

ok heres moresby the place you reckon could be a good base for an nrl side

this is the only semi civilised part of moresby and its not that big and you cant reaally see it but most of the hills are littered with ramshackle corrugated iron shacks like this one below

 

[nqcowboy87]

then there is the slums that line the coast, a short walk of the cbd, where the people of the motuan tribe, (moresbys original tribe) live in extreme poverty

and then there is the kaugure raskols gang which as not as strong as years ago but still cause a lot of trouble

like quidgybo said it would not only be unfeasable for the government to put a side there it would be ignorant and almost immoral, png needs to get its priorities in order. i hope this is the last thread on the matter

 

[Perth Red]

What I can say is that I would really like to see a team in Darwin. I am given to understand that the NT's stadia are of quite good quality, so that should not be an issue. As it stands no code has a major presence there, and it could well be that the first code willing to take them seriously and step up would become unshakeable. .

Sadly, as per usual, the AFL are way ahead of us...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/19/2717845.htm

The Northern Territory Government has done a deal to bring 10 AFL games to Darwin at a cost of about $500,000 a game.
It is part of $7 million in Government spending over five years, which includes $2 million in upgrades for TIO Stadium in Darwin and Traeger Park in Alice Springs.
Under the deal, the AFL is contributing a further $1 million.

http://newsroom.nt.gov.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewRelease&id=6956&d=5

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/tabid/4112/default.aspx?newsid=86194

 

[Eels Dude]

The Logic is for entertainment,they are so exciting to watch with their speed strength and magic with the ball when it comes off.
I got no idea about the financial side really but the NRL needs to get other nations up to the standards of AUS,NZ and England and the only way that can happen is having a team playing in the high standard comp

Well that really is the important part. The way I see it a PNG side needs a minimum of 3 things to push for inclusion

1) Be competitive
2) Be financially viable
3) Increase the NRL's worth as a product

1) Is not going to happen. They don't have a junior base nor the funds to produce players of NRL quality. No Australian players will move there for health and safety reasons. Therefore they will never be able to field a side capable of competing in the NRL. I doubt they'd be able to field a side capable of competing in the NSW cup.

2) As said before it will cost 100m to build a stadium, and running costs of 15 - 20m per year to run the side. Money PNG doesn't have. They also won't attract sponsorship as most of their population struggle to afford to eat every day. You're not going to be selling Plasma tvs in PNG.

3) No chance. As their economy is so weak compared to Aus and NZ, adding a side there does nothing to increase tv deals or attract the NRL extra sponsorship or revenue. A PNG side would just be a white elephant.

Lastly, It's not the NRL's responsibility to develop the game in other countries. Their main responsibility is to look after the game in Australia and maintain a strong domestic competition. It's up to the other countries to develop their own internal rugby league systems and competitions. The NRL does enough by promoting the world cup and such, but they shouldn't be wasting time and money in developing the game in other countries when that's not their responsibility.

 

[Nightward]

It's one thing to run a soccer comp in the third world where every team is dealing with the same market disadvantages. The economy of the competition scales appropriately. But a single team from a third world country in a competition entirely built on the economics of two first world countries just doesn't make sense. The only way it can possible work is as a charity exercise where the entire operation is subsidised substantially or entirely from outside the country and/or via government. But to suggest that the game and the PNG government could ever justify subsidising an NRL operation in Port Moresby to the tune of $15m per season (and growing) and start up costs upwards of $100m is just ridiculous. Where the PNG government is concerned I'd suggest it'd be almost immoral given how desperately the people of PNG need improvements in basic services.

Perhaps... but then, if there was some way to provide the training and expertise necessary to construct a modern stadium to PNG locals, Oxfam-style, this then leaves them with a marketable skill. And the infusion of investment capital and accompanying commercial interest could prove beneficial on top of that. I do not think it is a stretch to say that PNG would get behind its own NRL team in a big way, but the problem is that it would take a long time (if ever) before the investment repaid itself.
That said, the NRL already has the Storm and the Sharks on life support, so...

PNG aren't even close to being a competitive international team.

More due to a lack of opportunity than anything else. Compare the rest of the world to the Kangaroos; we destroy them on a regular basis; losses are a possibility but require a lot of factors (idiotic selections, idiotic coaches, injuries to key players, the best coach the game has ever seen and possibly will ever see helping the opposition...) to align.
PNG does not have access to the same resources and training we do. Nor does New Zealand or the UK or Russia. Overcome that hurdle, however, and who knows what will happen? If all the PNG players were based in the NRL, their performances in the Test arena would be an order of magnitude more impressive on the back of that alone.

 

[Alex28]

What I can say is that I would really like to see a team in Darwin. I am given to understand that the NT's stadia are of quite good quality, so that should not be an issue. As it stands no code has a major presence there...

Wrong. Whilst there is not a team in the comp, the AFL have been playing and recruiting up there for years. A mate of mine (who plays Rugby) is up there at the moment - he says AFL is king up there and dominates the other sports.

 

[winnyason]

Manly looked to play game there, the lighting is worse than walgett .
Once the expected mining boom there yes worth a look.

 

[betcats]

once you leave the cities in PNG, there are alot of places were you can get your head cut off just for being white. My uncle works over there on the gas fields and they live and work with armed guards everywhere for their protection, but yeah, lets put an NRL team their.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

I would love to see a PNG team in the comp.

I don't think recruitment would be too much of an issue because they are a very talented bunch over there.

I went to a local game in Port Moresby last year and was pleasantly surprised at the skill level. One of the most entertaining Rugby League matches I've ever been to. Even the lower grades were impressive.

The only thing is the Roosters would poach their players as soon as they demonstrated some ability.

 

[Thomas]

once you leave the cities in PNG, there are alot of places were you can get your head cut off just for being white. My uncle works over there on the gas fields and they live and work with armed guards everywhere for their protection, but yeah, lets put an NRL team their.

Yeah I work for an engineering firm that has projects in PNG so I've been there twice in the last 2 years. It can be a scary place. Parts of it you can just feel the tension. We have armed guards with us 24 hours a day.

Rather than look into a PNG side in the NRL (which just simply won't work because of the lack of money there) perhaps each club can have a scholarship for a few PNG boys. Put them up in share houses and start them out in the lower grades. Really give them a step up.

 

[nqcowboy87]

once you leave the cities in PNG, there are alot of places were you can get your head cut off just for being white. My uncle works over there on the gas fields and they live and work with armed guards everywhere for their protection, but yeah, lets put an NRL team their.

thats mainly in the highlandfs like goroka and its not as bad as it was in the 80's and early to mid 90's. my cousin works for a construction company near madang and he has n o problems. if you go over to placves like rabaul namatanai 99% of the people greet you with a smile and a handshake (and rotten teeth cause of beetlenut). that said i agree with the posters saying they should set up some sort of recruitment or scholarship program for players.

 

[Brutus]

Yeah I work for an engineering firm that has projects in PNG so I've been there twice in the last 2 years. It can be a scary place. Parts of it you can just feel the tension. We have armed guards with us 24 hours a day.

Rather than look into a PNG side in the NRL (which just simply won't work because of the lack of money there) perhaps each club can have a scholarship for a few PNG boys. Put them up in share houses and start them out in the lower grades. Really give them a step up.

Agree 100 percent.

 

[sharko]

They currently have a nasty cholera epidemic which has killed hundreds and is forecast to knock off quite a few thousand more..no clean running water, zero sanitation is not a good look.
The large LNG developments being negotiated have led to nasty tribal clashes as interlopers are trying to cliam the money due to landowners..they carved up about 20 people last week and few more the week before that.
PNG needs a stable govt that provides for all its people, at the moment they are a corrupt bunch of no hopers, and will remain so.

 

[Rexxy]

when I went there was a convoy of seven 4 wheel drives including goons with automatic weapons. we went into villages where guys were walking with machettes and not liking what "we" were telling them about the growing of tobacco. We went from Mt Hagan and drove west for around an hour until we were in the middle of nowhere. Everywhere we went, people were simply rising out of the grass. Then, i swear this is true, just as I was thinking Im probably one of only about 100 white blokes who had ever been here, a dude popped up from a field wearing a North Sydney Bears jumper. the one with the Leagues club as sponsor.
They love league. we (australia) owe them big time. they aint ready for the top league but it would be great if they could get some games, development, and maybe participation in the xxxx cup?

Maybe we could make PNG a League Unlimited project? raise money, get some publicity happening, sponsor one player? I'd put $50 in to start it.

 

[sharko]

Those machetes are just their "bush knives" I belive they are known as..they use them to cut down fruit from palm oil tress etc, every bastard seems to have one.

 

[nqcowboy87]

Those machetes are just their "bush knives" I belive they are known as..they use them to cut down fruit from palm oil tress etc, every bastard seems to have one.

yeh the cane knives, theyr just a tool, but some tools use them for other purposes. and seriously before anybody posts again about how we should be putting a team there read the aboves posts, then go back through this thread where i posted [pics of port moresby and then close the thread and dont mention putting a team there again

 

[Rooster Cogburn junior]

They'd be paying the players with Shells and beads.