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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Matua

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Its not unusual for owners to be covering losses in sports clubs as 'loans'. I suspect its a good tax right off or something for rich people. Souths 'owed' its owners $7mill at one point before they 'waived' it.
Isn't Victoria rugby the owner of the Rebels and none of the BoD are "owners"? The Chair appears to be the owner of their main sponsor

I can't see why BoD members would pump money in personally (assuming the original article is correct) although the Chair might have had the finances available to do it.
 

Perth Red

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Isn't Victoria rugby the owner of the Rebels and none of the BoD are "owners"? The Chair appears to be the owner of their main sponsor

I can't see why BoD members would pump money in personally (assuming the original article is correct) although the Chair might have had the finances available to do it.
Not sure of the ownership structure but the chairman (who seems dodgy as f**k), seems to be the one that 'loaned' them money.
 

Matua

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Not sure of the ownership structure but the chairman (who seems dodgy as f**k), seems to be the one that 'loaned' them money.
As I speculated, but I haven't seen the breakdown of it - is there an article with a breakdown you've seen? He may or may not be dodgy but he's a crappy Chair.
 

Perth Red

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As I speculated, but I haven't seen the breakdown of it - is there an article with a breakdown you've seen? He may or may not be dodgy but he's a crappy Chair.
All his companies are in all sorts of strife! No but he was financially backing them through the shirt sponsorship and probably the only one with the cash on hand, even if it was meant for other things, to be propping them up. Its not unusual in sport for Directors to 'loan' clubs money. I'm not sure what the benefits are but clearly there are some to the individual as it isnt uncommon.

 

Dark Corner

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The problem for Australian Rugby Union is that there's a missing layer between club & Super Rugby - South Africa has it in the Currie Cup, NZ has it in the NPC - heritage Provincial competitions.

When Australia tried making a Provincial competition, it failed.. so maybe that missing layer needs to be "inter-league" play - basically competitions where the clubs from different states play each other - perhaps a kind of champions-league thing?
But Super Rugby has killed off the interest Currie Cup and NPC and crowds are bad for both NZ Super clubs and South African URC clubs.
 

Brian potter

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But Super Rugby has killed off the interest Currie Cup and NPC and crowds are bad for both NZ Super clubs and South African URC clubs.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the NZRU going it alone and reverting back to a domestic competition with maybe the Fijian Drua included.
 

Perth Red

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see the NZRU going it alone and reverting back to a domestic competition with maybe the Fijian Drua included.
They could well be better having NZ, pacific and Japan and one day america in a comp but they wont cut Australia loose in reality.

A 6 team per conference set up might work a lot better for them. 6 teams in Aus, 6 teams in NZ/Pacific, 6 teams in Japan and 6 teams in USA. Play your conference twice (10 games) and 10 games against teams from other ones then inter conference finals system. Very expensive though and their fan interest doesn't seem to be big enough anymore to support it. SA and Argentina joined Europe though so you never know logistically.
 

MugaB

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I mean 12k isn't exactly barging down the door.
Agreed but its a foreign market, not serviced by NRL regularly, and a trial not an actual home game, so not bad, i remember the Hamilton game wests took last season, packed out another win for NZ to achieve more RL content and show that they could fill a 2nd teams stadium if they had another licence
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see the NZRU going it alone and reverting back to a domestic competition with maybe the Fijian Drua included.

I enjoy both codes so I want rugby to sort it’s mess out, but NZR going it alone will only hurt the game in both countries.

SR NZ back in ’20-‘21 was a great watch initially but the local derbies were pretty attritional plus the lack of variety started to wear a little thin which would’ve eventually hurt TV and sponsor revenue. And while I heard SR AU rated well domestically, it didn’t help them performance-wise as their 2-24 record in SR Trans-Tasman showed.

There are major challenges on both sides of the ditch and while it's sometimes a testy relationship, it is literally sibling-like. Can’t live with them, can’t live without them.
 

Brian potter

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I enjoy both codes so I want rugby to sort it’s mess out, but NZR going it alone will only hurt the game in both countries.

SR NZ back in ’20-‘21 was a great watch initially but the local derbies were pretty attritional plus the lack of variety started to wear a little thin which would’ve eventually hurt TV and sponsor revenue. And while I heard SR AU rated well domestically, it didn’t help them performance-wise as their 2-24 record in SR Trans-Tasman showed.

There are major challenges on both sides of the ditch and while it's sometimes a testy relationship, it is literally sibling-like. Can’t live with them, can’t live without them.
Well something has to give and if the NZRU don’t at least allow their players to sign for Aussie based super rugby teams I don’t see how this competition can survive and even then I think the super rugby competition is living on borrowed time.
 

SpaceMonkey

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I don’t follow super rugby so I’m not upto scratch on all the reasons why but it would still make much better than a team from the U.S. ?
You’re assuming it would actually get buy-in from the Japanese rugby scene but that didn’t really happen. A lot of the best players stayed with their existing clubs.
 

SpaceMonkey

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They could well be better having NZ, pacific and Japan and one day america in a comp but they wont cut Australia loose in reality.

A 6 team per conference set up might work a lot better for them. 6 teams in Aus, 6 teams in NZ/Pacific, 6 teams in Japan and 6 teams in USA. Play your conference twice (10 games) and 10 games against teams from other ones then inter conference finals system. Very expensive though and their fan interest doesn't seem to be big enough anymore to support it. SA and Argentina joined Europe though so you never know logistically.
Why would you have a comp with the same number of teams in Aus as for NZ and the pacific when you consider the player depth? The Australian sides would get slaughtered every time they played inter conference finals
 

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