New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matiunz]

The demise of super rugby has been a disaster for the game in the southern hemisphere. At its peek it was the best quality union you could wish to see. Massive crowds, great open play. Aussie’s were competitive. Now it’s a financial millstone and is arguably killing the game at least in Australia. NZ really needs to finish it.

Don’t think it’s in NZs best interest to finish it. Although quality of opposition isn’t great at the moment the likes of SA and Argentina leaving showcased a need to play opposition with different styles to our own. Going it alone with just the NPC isn’t financially viable, yes the NPC is an important development tool but it also costs to run rather than a money, the current NZ super rugby sides are essentially combinations of 3 or so NPC teams so the quality of opposition would be reduced.

 

[Matiunz]

Games would be on the middle of the night here

That’s become largely irrelevant now with streaming games are essentially on demand and not too many will get up in the middle of the night to watch live and will instead just stream over breakfast the next day.

 

[Matiunz]

Out of the ‘big’ Union countries Ireland and Italy it is mostly a working class game also

 

[Gobsmacked]

Bahaha, you and your mate Wb have kept this thread running for 750 pages, but now all of a sudden you're too busy.

No shame in admitting you can't refute my points.

There was a point?
That's a stretch.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s become largely irrelevant now with streaming games are essentially on demand and not too many will get up in the middle of the night to watch live and will instead just stream over breakfast the next day.

Foxsports Australia only values live games

given a sa tv company wouldn’t pay much for the nrl rights, like for example the png or even Perth nrl sides rely upon eastern viewers to be worth anything to foxsports

 

[Matiunz]

Foxsports Australia only values live games

given a sa tv company wouldn’t pay much for the nrl rights, like for example the png or even Perth nrl sides rely upon eastern viewers to be worth anything to foxsports

I know live tv is important to 9 but curious how Kayo and Foxtel now etc factor into the viewing numbers.
Supersport in South Africa is a huge player in Africa pay tv and if NRL were in their interest would be a significant money spinner. They effectively funded the entire super rugby when the SA teams were in it

 

[Wb1234]

I know live tv is important to 9 but curious how Kayo and Foxtel now etc factor into the viewing numbers.
Supersport in South Africa is a huge player in Africa pay tv and if NRL were in their interest would be a significant money spinner. They effectively funded the entire super rugby when the SA teams were in it

Yeh but it’s league

France (league) has no tv deal and they have had a successful club for decades

Every game foxsports shows is not only live but also doesn’t clash with other games (unlike afl)

 

[Matua]

There was a point?
That's a stretch.

If your reading comprehension is so poor you can't work out the points in a numbered list then I'm unsurprised you're hiding from responding.

 

[flippikat]

Don’t think it’s in NZs best interest to finish it. Although quality of opposition isn’t great at the moment the likes of SA and Argentina leaving showcased a need to play opposition with different styles to our own. Going it alone with just the NPC isn’t financially viable, yes the NPC is an important development tool but it also costs to run rather than a money, the current NZ super rugby sides are essentially combinations of 3 or so NPC teams so the quality of opposition would be reduced.

I think ditching Super Rugby & going back to NPC could only work if the top few NPC teams end up in a more lucrative "champions league" style competition against the best of other countries competitions... but...

A) Other countries in the Pacific rim will struggle to produce strong domestic competitions in isolation as "qualifying competitions"

B) "Champions league" style setups have a habit of entrenching power in a few teams.. and if the top 4 or 5 NZ NPC provinces qualify, chances are it'll be the same provinces year-in and year-out.

Love it or hate it, the Super Rugby structure works for NZ, and the closest NZR will get to scrapping it and going back to NPC is re-drawing the Super Rugby franchise boundaries to go from 5 to 6 or 7 NZ Super Rugby teams.

Maybe these seven in a restructured Super Rugby.......

* Blues (Northland/North Harbour/Auckland/Counties) - an "Greater Auckland-Northland team"

* Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty, Thames Valley in Heartland rugby) - - Waikato/BOP - Based in Hamilton, a game in Rotorua

* New Western NI team (Taranaki/Manawatu, with King Country & Whanganui in Heartland rugby) - taking Taranaki from the Chiefs & the others from the Hurricanes - based in New Plymouth with a game or two in Palmerston North

* New Eastern NI team ( Hawkes Bay, with Poverty Bay, East Coast in Heartland Rugby - Hawkes Bay up to East Cape - based in Napier

* Hurricanes (Wellington, with Horowhenua-Kapiti & Wairarapa-Bush in Heartland Rugby) - Brings their focus into Wellington, maybe a trial each year in Masterton

* Crusaders (as per current feeder teams)

* Highlanders (as per current feeder teams)

[Edit] or they can just keep on the shambles of a thing they have now, honestly the current state just makes it easier for the NRL... and I hope we take it to them with a 2nd & later 3rd NZ NRL club.

 

[Wb1234]

Dolphins have cut him, what about the warriors ?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think ditching Super Rugby & going back to NPC could only work if the top few NPC teams end up in a more lucrative "champions league" style competition against the best of other countries competitions... but...

A) Other countries in the Pacific rim will struggle to produce strong domestic competitions in isolation as "qualifying competitions"

B) "Champions league" style setups have a habit of entrenching power in a few teams.. and if the top 4 or 5 NZ NPC provinces qualify, chances are it'll be the same provinces year-in and year-out.

Love it or hate it, the Super Rugby structure works for NZ, and the closest NZR will get to scrapping it and going back to NPC is re-drawing the Super Rugby franchise boundaries to go from 5 to 6 or 7 NZ Super Rugby teams.

Maybe these seven in a restructured Super Rugby.......

* Blues (Northland/North Harbour/Auckland/Counties) - an "Greater Auckland-Northland team"

* Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty, Thames Valley in Heartland rugby) - - Waikato/BOP - Based in Hamilton, a game in Rotorua

* New Western NI team (Taranaki/Manawatu, with King Country & Whanganui in Heartland rugby) - taking Taranaki from the Chiefs & the others from the Hurricanes - based in New Plymouth with a game or two in Palmerston North

* New Eastern NI team ( Hawkes Bay, with Poverty Bay, East Coast in Heartland Rugby - Hawkes Bay up to East Cape - based in Napier

* Hurricanes (Wellington, with Horowhenua-Kapiti & Wairarapa-Bush in Heartland Rugby) - Brings their focus into Wellington, maybe a trial each year in Masterton

* Crusaders (as per current feeder teams)

* Highlanders (as per current feeder teams)

[Edit] or they can just keep on the shambles of a thing they have now, honestly the current state just makes it easier for the NRL... and I hope we take it to them with a 2nd & later 3rd NZ NRL club.

Too many North teams IMO- those Eastern and western NI teams are really going to struggle for numbers. I’d Just go Auckland/Waikato+BoB/Lower NI+Wellington/Canterbury/Otago, and even then Otago at least is going to be pretty short population wise.