New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[flippikat]

Personally I'd like a second NZ team before a Perth team. The Warriors need a rival and we have the opportunity to finish off union for good.

For too long, NRL has been focused on AFL without thinking about the gains that can be made by taking on rugby union.

In short - playing talent from NZ & the Pacific Islands. Talent that has skills that can be transferred to the NRL.

 

[Wb1234]

For too long, NRL has been focused on AFL without thinking about the gains that can be made by taking on rugby union.

In short - playing talent from NZ & the Pacific Islands. Talent that has skills that can be transferred to the NRL.

Plus afl is too entrenched in vic sa and wa for league to make huge inroads

Unlike super rugby which is on its arse

 

[Matt_CBY]

You`re a hoot, same bloke that was saying "we all think you`re stupid ", "everybody hates you" sort of thing to someone recently, to the point where I actually said to you don`t include me in your "we all" nonsense.
And yet here you are now, the big man who stands alone " I don`t roll in cliques, dude". Nuts.

This website has a quote function darling. If you’re gonna quote someone. Use it to show the quotes are real.

I don’t recall saying either of the above. Even if I did “we all” is inclusive and doesn’t imply cliques haha.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

I don’t recall saying either of the above. Even if I did “we all” is inclusive and doesn’t imply cliques haha.

Well I do, and I can tell you who you said it to, It was Perth Red and it was something along the lines "we all think you`re stupid " or some such and I remember because I responded because I hate that pile-on drivel.
And what`s with the "haha" how old are you.

 

[flippikat]

Plus afl is too entrenched in vic sa and wa for league to make huge inroads

Unlike super rugby which is on its arse

We can carve a niche in those states - the Storm has shown it can be done, and there's a local scene in Perth that's had far too long without a top tier outlet there.

BUT expansion there shouldn't be done without also expanding into rugby union's stronghold in New Zealand. The time is perfect right now for that, because Super Rugby is vulnerable.

 

[Canard]

It seems I’ve upset Canards boyfriend.

Haha. I don’t roll in cliques dude. What a teenage thing to do. Simple minds will do what they can to convince themselves of some understanding of the world, no matter how far from reality that is.

Maybe try posting one thing, anything actually that is on topic for once.

$60M ain't $360M, facts over feelings.

 

[Matt_CBY]

Well I do, and I can tell you who you said it to, It was Perth Red and it was something along the lines "we all think you`re stupid " or some such and I remember because I responded because I hate that pile-on drivel.
And what`s with the "haha" how old are you.

Quote me then.

 

[Wb1234]

We can carve a niche in those states - the Storm has shown it can be done, and there's a local scene in Perth that's had far too long without a top tier outlet there.

BUT expansion there shouldn't be done without also expanding into rugby union's stronghold in New Zealand. The time is perfect right now for that, because Super Rugby is vulnerable.

I was talking to an afl fan on twitter and his response to watching the nrl grand final was it’s just two teams running at walls for 80 mins

Its a different culture for them

Whereas union fans get it

 

[Bukowski]

We can carve a niche in those states - the Storm has shown it can be done, and there's a local scene in Perth that's had far too long without a top tier outlet there.

BUT expansion there shouldn't be done without also expanding into rugby union's stronghold in New Zealand. The time is perfect right now for that, because Super Rugby is vulnerable.

Both areas are primed and should be teams18 and 19, the sooner the better too.

 

[Canard]

I was talking to an afl fan on twitter and his response to watching the nrl grand final was it’s just two teams running at walls for 80 mins

Its a different culture for them

Whereas union fans get it

One troll on twitter, or 350k watching on TV in Victoria?

I wonder which one we should value more???

 

[Perth Red]

Both areas are primed and should be teams18 and 19, the sooner the better too.

Yep, the only one out of the three thats questionable is PNG but hopefully the Govt largesse keeps flowing to keep them viable and by some miracle they produce enough (and keep them) NRL quality players to be competitive.

Perth and Christchurch are the obvious clubs for NRL expansion. there really isnt any other new markets suitable. I questioned if they could get the financial backing but (dodgy people involved aside) getting $55mill Aus start up money should see them in.

 

[taste2taste]

TIME TO TACKLE ALL BLACKS

Peter Jenkins
The NRL can topple the All Blacks as the dominant force in New Zealand sport by fast-tracking a second team into the Shaky Isles.
The call comes from two high-profile Kiwi administrators with extensive experience in both codes who sense a seismic shift in the escalating war for hearts, minds and talent.
David Moffett, who headed up NZ Rugby, NSW Rugby, Welsh Rugby, Sport England and the NRL during the 1990s and early 2000s, told the Daily Telegraph that rugby union in NZ was no longer impregnable against the rising threat of rugby league.
His view was shared by Trevor McKewen, an ex-commercial and marketing boss at NZ Rugby, former Warriors CEO and a current media identity who said the NRL should act quickly to launch sport’s ultimate palace coup.
“I’ve never seen NZ Rugby face an existential crisis like this,” McKewen said last night. “I’ve never seen the game in a more vulnerable state.
“This perfect storm has arrived. NZ Rugby has significant financial woes and it has a governance structure a review has found as not fit for purpose.
“On top of that, the NRL is building a huge following in NZ and the talented 15-year-olds who once only thought of playing for the All Blacks are now playing both codes. They’re watching NRL and seeing the opportunities.
“NZ Rugby has always sold this narrative that the ABs are the greatest team in the history of sport. That’s now a myth … the allure of the All Blacks jersey is nowhere near as strong as it has been historically.
“The NRL can capitalise on that momentum with a second team here. They just need to appreciate the opportunity that exists. Don’t wait five or more years. Grab it by the throat now.
“With a second team the NRL will have games in NZ every week for seven months. That visibility and accessibility will have a massive impact.
“Super Rugby has lost its way and the All Blacks play at home five or six times a year. The NRL would have a constant presence driving talkability, coverage and participation, all key measures for popularity.”
Moffett is CEO at the South Island Kea consortium that is bidding for inclusion to the NRL as part of the competition’s proposed expansion.
After a recent rejection, Moffett has called for a meeting with NRL CEO Andrew Abdo to work through the NRL’s bid requirements.
From his Christchurch base, Moffett said teams on both islands would deliver an instant national rivalry and significantly more content in NZ, and the sooner the better to take advantage of the All Blacks’ declining fortunes.
“The All Blacks have been the beacon of NZ sport for more than a century,” he said. “But there are now cracks in the wall.”
New Zealand has lost its last four Tests to South Africa, three of its last six to Ireland and its two most recent Tests against France. The All Blacks have also lost two of their last six Tests against Argentina.
Their most notable winning record is against the Wallabies – nine Test victories in a row.

 

[Wb1234]

Reality is 2 nrl sides won’t see league overtake union maybe not even with 3 sides

Union has a junior base we don’t have and a semi pro comp which covers the whole country

Plus crowds for kiwis games are awful

League has a long way to go but the fact it’s even being discussed is a good thing

Just saying league is taking over from Union jf we get a side is like afl is taking over in Brisbane we need another nrl side.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Reality is 2 nrl sides won’t see league overtake union maybe not even with 3 sides

Union has a junior base we don’t have and a semi pro comp which covers the whole country

Plus crowds for kiwis games are awful

League has a long way to go but the fact it’s even being discussed is a good thing

Just saying league is taking over from Union jf we get a side is like afl is taking over in Brisbane we need another nrl side.

Picture a nice little town with around 3 coffee shops..then imagine what happens when they get a Starbucks.
The Nrl in Christchurch will be just that, it will blow RU out of the water.

 

[flippikat]

Picture a nice little town with around 3 coffee shops..then imagine what happens when they get a Starbucks.
The Nrl in Christchurch will be just that, it will blow RU out of the water.

It's time to give RU a kick in the pants again. Make them scramble to catch-up with us - on both sides of the Tasman AND across the Pacific.

 

[johnny plath]

I was talking to an afl fan on twitter and his response to watching the nrl grand final was it’s just two teams running at walls for 80 mins

A opposed to stick insects scrambling around trying to get a feed

 

[SirPies&Beers]

The rhetoric of league/NRL will overtake Rugby in NZ is a bit far fetched isn't it? It has similar vibes to that of soccer will become one of the major sports in USA after the 94 World Cup. It didn't, it hasn't and it won't.

A second NRL NZ team will without a shred of doubt garner support, it will give more potential union/league athletes another avenue to pursue their professional careers in, it will make further inroads in overall rugby league credentials in NZ. Of course, all those go without saying really.

But it won't over take Rugby, well not in our lifetime. It will only close the gap a bit. Look I've suffered some concussions over the years, this is true but even me with 4 brain cells left and borderline diabetes knows Rugby reigns supreme in NZ and whilst it might currently be in a somewhat lull it'll only take the AB's and their super rugby teams putting on a show to get interest back up.

What's the terminology we read a lot here? "Rusted on"?

 

[Wb1234]

The rhetoric of league/NRL will overtake Rugby in NZ is a bit far fetched isn't it? It has similar vibes to that of soccer will become one of the major sports in USA after the 94 World Cup. It didn't, it hasn't and it won't.

A second NRL NZ team will without a shred of doubt garner support, it will give more potential union/league athletes another avenue to pursue their professional careers in, it will make further inroads in overall rugby league credentials in NZ. Of course, all those go without saying really.

But it won't over take Rugby, well not in our lifetime. It will only close the gap a bit. Look I've suffered some concussions over the years, this is true but even me with 4 brain cells left and borderline diabetes knows Rugby reigns supreme in NZ and whilst it might currently be in a somewhat lull it'll only take the AB's and their super rugby teams putting on a show to get interest back up.

What's the terminology we read a lot here? "Rusted on"?

Don’t disagree

But super rugby is in a death spiral in Australia

And nz can’t support a fully pro comp on its own which makes enough money

The wages that the nrl will go to is something that neither Australia or nz can match

Still leaves league to develop a junior program like union and a semi pro comp like the npc

Kiwi crowds have a long way to go to get near the all blacks

Just last year tv ratings for super rugby and nrl were basically the same

So a second nrl side would see rugby league overtake super rugby at least on tv

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

The rhetoric of league/NRL will overtake Rugby in NZ is a bit far fetched isn't it? It has similar vibes to that of soccer will become one of the major sports in USA after the 94 World Cup. It didn't, it hasn't and it won't.

A second NRL NZ team will without a shred of doubt garner support, it will give more potential union/league athletes another avenue to pursue their professional careers in, it will make further inroads in overall rugby league credentials in NZ. Of course, all those go without saying really.

But it won't over take Rugby, well not in our lifetime. It will only close the gap a bit. Look I've suffered some concussions over the years, this is true but even me with 4 brain cells left and borderline diabetes knows Rugby reigns supreme in NZ and whilst it might currently be in a somewhat lull it'll only take the AB's and their super rugby teams putting on a show to get interest back up.

What's the terminology we read a lot here? "Rusted on"?

A Kiwi on here made a very good point recently and it really struck home for me.
Try as it might apart from a few All Black home Test matches nothing can match the hype generated around NRL.
For whatever reason even if super rugby was going better it cannot match the hype levels that the NRL generates, the reasons for that are probably myriad, but I think we can agree it is probably true, League`s social media presence is pretty impressive,it is a media juggernaut for nine months and now we have Vegas to kick things off every year, and guess who`s going next year. Do you think that might get a bit of hype back in NZ ?
That`s what union in NZ are up against, and like any new product bursting into the market with the right social media campaign behind it, it will be very hard to stop, especially in this day and age.
All NRL needs in NZ now is more shop fronts, i.e. teams for fans to engage with.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The rhetoric of league/NRL will overtake Rugby in NZ is a bit far fetched isn't it? It has similar vibes to that of soccer will become one of the major sports in USA after the 94 World Cup. It didn't, it hasn't and it won't.

A second NRL NZ team will without a shred of doubt garner support, it will give more potential union/league athletes another avenue to pursue their professional careers in, it will make further inroads in overall rugby league credentials in NZ. Of course, all those go without saying really.

But it won't over take Rugby, well not in our lifetime. It will only close the gap a bit. Look I've suffered some concussions over the years, this is true but even me with 4 brain cells left and borderline diabetes knows Rugby reigns supreme in NZ and whilst it might currently be in a somewhat lull it'll only take the AB's and their super rugby teams putting on a show to get interest back up.

What's the terminology we read a lot here? "Rusted on"?

I remember when people said MMA will never challenge boxing..
A better thing is a better thing and will always succeed in time over something inferior. Only question is how long?
Only the current trajectory of both sports with a second NZ side, I'd say between 10 and 20 years.