New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

This is what the "pissing contest" is about, others only care about the elite level.

Reality is the elite level is where’s it’s at

It’s why clubs like the bears are desperate to return if it means moving to Perth

Top down will flow down to grassroots

 

[Matua]

The pissing contest in the thread title is about League overtaking Union in NZ … this is not what I’m interested in …

This is an Expansion sub forum , and my interest is in how a second Nz team can grow both the game and the playing talent over there

Doubling the amount of opportunities for young rep players in NZ league can only be a positive think right , even if the second team might have to try and get a number of these from Rugby each year…at least initially

This was the wrong thread for you to click on then.

In all honesty, doubling the number of opportunities for young rep players can probably be covered in league players already (it's not that many spots). What it might actually do is stop some of the guys going over to Oz schools like Keebra Park etc, which is beneficial, but I think that's more likely than pulling away rugby players.

 

[Wb1234]

Not if the aim is to deal a massive blow to NZ rugby as stated in the thread title.

Also, for the most part league isn't poaching away the best talent from rugby. It's mostly junior league guys who go to a rugby school at high school level because there aren't many league schools (which as I said is probably the best thing for league players to do).

League gets some good ones from rugby - Mannering and Harris were two (oddly they were backs in rugby) who transitioned at the end of high school, but neither of those two were elite rugby players. NAS might have been an elite rugby player, so he could fit the bill.

If league keeps its talented juniors in nz that’s guys like Jonah lomu

Poor weepu etc

They went ok

 

[Matua]

Reality is the elite level is where’s it’s at

It’s why clubs like the bears are desperate to return if it means moving to Perth

Top down will flow down to grassroots

Sheesh, the trickle down effect is bollocks in politics, and hasn't worked with the Warriors either - as we try to tell you the grassroots have been slowly getting worse.

 

[Wb1234]

I said thriving scene, not one particular competition. It's not about the Qld Cup on it's own. It's about opportunities for people to play league across different levels.

Where do you think players come from that eventually make it through to your beloved pro comp? They have come from the lower grades.

Under 16s to under 21s lol

“Elite pathways”

I’m not saying getting more participants is bad or more schools playing

But you think it should happen before nz2 is saying the opposite nz2 will grow those things

 

[Wb1234]

Sheesh, the trickle down effect is bollocks in politics, and hasn't worked with the Warriors either - as we try to tell you the grassroots have been slowly getting worse.

Warriors could try and be like the Penrith panthers

Warriors have a potential junior base ten times Penrith

Maybe nz2 will from day one be about local kiwis

 

[BuffaloRules]

In all honesty, doubling the number of opportunities for young rep players can probably be covered in league players already (it's not that many spots). What it might actually do is stop some of the guys going over to Oz schools like Keebra Park etc, which is beneficial, but I think that's more likely than pulling away rugby players.

Maybe … a team based in the South Island might have to think outside the box a bit …and I would expect that to include looking at Union youngsters …perhaps the Warriors haven’t had as much need to do his in the past …

Having said that …I certainly hope they do the opposite to whatever the Warriors have done … in their 30 year history , they are one of the biggest underachievers in any sport that I follow …

 

[Vlad59]

Warriors could try and be like the Penrith panthers

Warriors have a potential junior base ten times Penrith

Maybe nz2 will from day one be about local kiwis

FMD you are an imbecile.

 

[Wb1234]

Maybe … a team based in the South Island might have to think outside the box a bit …and I would expect that to include looking at Union youngsters …perhaps the Warriors haven’t had as much need to do his in the past …

Having said that …I certainly hope they do the opposite to whatever the Warriors have done … in their 30 year history , they are one of the biggest underachievers in any sport that I follow …

Nz2 = crusaders
Warriors = blues

Which is the most successful side in super rugby ?

 

[SirPies&Beers]

what does crusaders and blues have to do with rl?

christchurch, players can concentrate on just footy with 0 outside distractions
Auckland, always distractions in comparison

here is a comparison in rl

penrith vs bondi

further more crusaders invested in coaching management and admins better than blues.

Now let’s compare this to nz rl

warriors only just got their harolds and sg balls sides last year or so. only just streamlined their pathways successfully and have it in sync

nz2 don’t exist how can you compare the two when one’s imaginary?

Again using crusaders vs blue is silly.

 

[Matua]

Warriors could try and be like the Penrith panthers

Warriors have a potential junior base ten times Penrith

Maybe nz2 will from day one be about local kiwis

Except they don't, as I keep pointing out the grassroots aren't there. Which is why us Kiwi posters in this thread have been banging on about the grassroots.

As for the Warriors they keep making noises about wanting to be a mostly NZ team then they go and pick up more journeyman Aussies in positions we have lots of journeymen (and potential stars).

 

[Wb1234]

Except they don't, as I keep pointing out the grassroots aren't there. Which is why us Kiwi posters in this thread have been banging on about the grassroots.

As for the Warriors they keep making noises about wanting to be a mostly NZ team then they go and pick up more journeyman Aussies in positions we have lots of journeymen (and potential stars).

Union systems plus all of the league junior players

Phil Gould went and found the best kids in Australia and put them in the bulldogs system

He paid 500k transfer fee for one junior half from qld

You said yourself fhe warriors don’t produce the best kiwi nrl players im actually agreeing with you. You gave me the idea lol

Guys like Benji, j.hughes never got a look in at the warriors

Loads of kiwi players at Aussie nrl clubs have said they would’ve loved another nz side and maybe they wouldn’t have moved to Australia to play

Who’s going to fund the extra money you want spent ? It won’t be the nrl

I’ll repeat it again if Christchurch are set up correctly from the start (like Penrith are now) they will have no problems with producing players

And I think Boyd has the makings of a great half back that was a great buy for the warriors

 

[Canard]

He paid 500k transfer fee for one junior half from qld

Where are you getting this bullshit from? You must be the most gullible dickhead in the world?

And how is this developing juniors, even if it was true?

 

[Wb1234]

Knights sign Ponga’s replacement at fullback; Eels young gun pens extension: Transfer Centre

Knights sign Ponga’s replacement at fullback; Eels young gun pens extension: Transfer Centre

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If the dogs with a tiny junior base can fill their elite pathways with talented kids then a club like the warriors who have a whole nation to pick from should have zero problems

Shame Gus left the warriors if he had stayed they would be a powerhouse and winning comps

 

[Canard]

Knights sign Ponga’s replacement at fullback; Eels young gun pens extension: Transfer Centre

Knights sign Ponga’s replacement at fullback; Eels young gun pens extension: Transfer Centre

www.foxsports.com.au

If the dogs with a tiny junior base can fill their elite pathways with talented kids then a club like the warriors who have a whole nation to pick from should have zero problems

Shame Gus left the warriors if he had stayed they would be a powerhouse and winning comps

This is just simplistic bullshit. As if get paid half a mill for a guy that hasn't played one game of NRL yet. And if they were, how can you be praising Gould for just having a fat chequebook?


Every club in the comp is competing for the same junior base. You don't think every other club is undertaking the same exercise?

And this attitude of don't worry about setting up and junior system in NZ and just rely on Union for this is f**king idiotic.

 

[Matua]

Union systems plus all of the league junior players

Phil Gould went and found the best kids in Australia and put them in the bulldogs system

He paid 500k transfer fee for one junior half from qld

You said yourself fhe warriors don’t produce the best kiwi nrl players im actually agreeing with you. You gave me the idea lol

Guys like Benji, j.hughes never got a look in at the warriors

Loads of kiwi players at Aussie nrl clubs have said they would’ve loved another nz side and maybe they wouldn’t have moved to Australia to play

Who’s going to fund the extra money you want spent ? It won’t be the nrl

I’ll repeat it again if Christchurch are set up correctly from the start (like Penrith are now) they will have no problems with producing players

And I think Boyd has the makings of a great half back that was a great buy for the warriors

The bold is the potential number of juniors, but it's not real, most rugby kids are going to play rugby still, NZ2 will help keep some of the NZ junior league players in NZ if run properly, but your dreams of a NZ Penrith wont work if the grassroots game is an afterthought.

Why shouldn't the NRL fund it? If league is in such good shape as you point out, and NZ is a supposed sleeping giant of league as you point out, then surely the NRL can use some of it's mammoth wealth to invest in the grassroots of NZ? The NRL is not a for profit, surely investing in the grassroots of the area of one/two of it's teams would be a priority?

 

[Canard]

The ONLY redeeming feature of PNG is that it may produce NRL standard players in the future.

And yet, there is a country on our doorstep with far more potential and a proven track record, and we don't spend a cent on it.

 

[Canard]

The bold is the potential number of juniors, but it's not real, most rugby kids are going to play rugby still, NZ2 will help keep some of the NZ junior league players in NZ if run properly, but your dreams of a NZ Penrith wont work if the grassroots game is an afterthought.

Why shouldn't the NRL fund it? If league is in such good shape as you point out, and NZ is a supposed sleeping giant of league as you point out, then surely the NRL can use some of it's mammoth wealth to invest in the grassroots of NZ? The NRL is not a for profit, surely investing in the grassroots of the area of one/two of it's teams would be a priority?

There is a certain arrogance, that I also see in AFL fans, that just assumes that Rugby kids will play a game of League and just choose it instantly as there sport.

They can't comprehend that Rugby kids actual love the sport and aspire to play it.

 

[Matiunz]

There is a certain arrogance, that I also see in AFL fans, that just assumes that Rugby kids will play a game of League and just choose it instantly as there sport.

They can't comprehend that Rugby kids actual love the sport and aspire to play it.

Hear this sentiment a lot with AFL, they can’t comprehend why anyone would choose another sport over theirs whether it’s to play or support, some on here aren’t too dissimilar- heaven forbid some choose more than 1 sport to follow or play…

 

[Matiunz]

Knights sign Ponga’s replacement at fullback; Eels young gun pens extension: Transfer Centre

Knights sign Ponga’s replacement at fullback; Eels young gun pens extension: Transfer Centre

www.foxsports.com.au

If the dogs with a tiny junior base can fill their elite pathways with talented kids then a club like the warriors who have a whole nation to pick from should have zero problems

Shame Gus left the warriors if he had stayed they would be a powerhouse and winning comps

The whole ‘Warriors have an entire nation to pick from’ Is a myth- this assumes
A: no other club recruits from NZ
B:Warriors have first pick of NZers
On both counts they’re competing against 16 other clubs- yes they SHOULD have an advantage but history has shown they don’t