New Zealand Summer 13/14

[shiznit]

Couldn't find a place for discussion on NZs cricket season except for match threads.

A question I have...

Does Brendan McCullum deserve to hold his place in the team as a batsman and captain.

I've been looking around plunket shield and I've noticed Ryder got his 3rd century this season, Guptill and Flynn got 150 each, young Latham got an unbeaten 240.

Those are all guys who are in and around selection.

At what stage are NZ weaker by having McCullum on the side... Especially from a balance stand point.

So if he doesn't wanna keep... Does he need to open...

We carried Stephen Fleming for periods based on his captaincy... But Fleming was miles better as a captain than McCullum is.

 

[shiznit]

And I'm not saying he should be dropped next...

He went pretty well in this last series...

I'm just wanting to ask the question... at what stage do we start to look at things?

 

[Timbo]

McCullum got a ton in the first test but the fact is without keeping his spot as a batsman is iffy at best. Good captain though.

The thing is there is a dearth of senior players at the moment. I imagine the selectors had thought Ryder would replace Anderson, but he's rapidly making himself invaluable.

 

[shiznit]

McCullum got a ton in the first test but the fact is without keeping his spot as a batsman is iffy at best. Good captain though.

The thing is there is a dearth of senior players at the moment. I imagine the selectors had thought Ryder would replace Anderson, but he's rapidly making himself invaluable.

Yeah I see it like you...

He won't be sacked while his best mate Hesson is in charge.

But IMO... He needs to be told that he needs to be averaging 40+ per season if he wants to keep his place as a batsman.

He's not test standard as a batsman.

 

[vvvrulz]

But IMO... He needs to be told that he needs to be averaging 40+ per season if he wants to keep his place as a batsman.

He's not test standard as a batsman.

He isn't a frontline batsmen the way he is going at the moment but I have no issue with him averaging 35 coming in at say #6.

I want to see Guptill given another shot and Ryder back in the side. Fulton had his swansong against England but I think he is done, and Rutherford is far too dodgy. If our batting line-up reads something like Guptill, <?>, Williamson, Taylor, Ryder, McCullum, Watling.. I think that is quite strong.

I like three specialist seamers and one spinner model esp given that they are all handy with the bat, the question then is who to open and/or where to fit the all-rounder.

 

[JJ]

I don't want Guptill near a test team ever again... white ball specialist for mine, and one ODI/20:20 teams with Guptill, Ryder, McCullum, Taylor, Williamson, Latham, Anderson, Ronchi looks shit hot to me

Great shame McCullum can't keep... but Ryder should come in for Anderson IMO, and it's the openers that are under pressure, I am still a Flynn fan and would put him in for Fulton in a heartbeat, and Rutherford needs to do something, I don't place much stock in his 50 on that chase...

 

[Timbo]

Guptill is NZ's WilliamGilbertGrace, cannot handle the moving red ball. I think Fulton and Rutherford need an extended run (although not completely sold on Rutherford). Truth told I feel Watling is your best test opener but as long as he has the gloves he should stay at 7, where he is turning into a really good Haddin-like counter-puncher.

Ryder has been bowling a lot in the Plunkett Shield I've noticed. I think he'll come in for Anderson against India.

 

[edabomb]

I'd put McCullum up to open and bring Ryder in at 5. McCullum averaged around 35 opening - which is no worse than he has been doing at 5.

McCullum would be a reasonable upgrade on Rutherford or Fulton, and Ryder a big upgrade on McCullum at 5.

But I think it will just come down to want Brendan wants.

 

[vvvrulz]

I don't want Guptill near a test team ever again... white ball specialist for mine, and one ODI/20:20 teams with Guptill, Ryder, McCullum, Taylor, Williamson, Latham, Anderson, Ronchi looks shit hot to me

Great shame McCullum can't keep... but Ryder should come in for Anderson IMO, and it's the openers that are under pressure, I am still a Flynn fan and would put him in for Fulton in a heartbeat, and Rutherford needs to do something, I don't place much stock in his 50 on that chase...

Only considering Guptill because I'm totally unconvinced with Fulton/Rutherford as our openers. With all the runs he's piling up domestically I'd like to see him given a run while his confidence is up, to prove once and for all if he is a test batsman.

I'm a Flynn fan too, wouldn't mind see him in there.

Not too many other options screaming out.

 

[shiznit]

Only considering Guptill because I'm totally unconvinced with Fulton/Rutherford as our openers. With all the runs he's piling up domestically I'd like to see him given a run while his confidence is up, to prove once and for all if he is a test batsman.

I'm a Flynn fan too, wouldn't mind see him in there.

Not too many other options screaming out.

Tom Latham is opening the batting pretty well for Canterbury...

Admittedly he's only had 30 odd first class games so far... But he scored 240* the other day and has experience at international level in limited overs cricket.

 

[vvvrulz]

Tom Latham is opening the batting pretty well for Canterbury...

Admittedly he's only had 30 odd first class games so far... But he scored 240* the other day and has experience at international level in limited overs cricket.

Yeah I thought about him, but too early for mine.

Looks the goods and should be given a chance maybe in the next season, but we rushed Rutherford who had little first class experience and his technique really shows it.

 

[Timbo]

He's played ODI's so he's eligible for county cricket.

NZC should try and set him up for a season with Derbyshire (with whom I believe they have an arrangement) to test him in other conditions.

Isn't he also a gloveman though?

 

[African Monkey]

He's played ODI's so he's eligible for county cricket.

NZC should try and set him up for a season with Derbyshire (with whom I believe they have an arrangement) to test him in other conditions.

Isn't he also a gloveman though?

It was with Gloucstershire where John Bracewell organised it with NZ cricket. Don't know if it's still happening now after Rob Nicol went there :lol:

 

[vvvrulz]

It was with Gloucstershire where John Bracewell organised it with NZ cricket. Don't know if it's still happening now after Rob Nicol went there :lol:

lol Rob Nicol, now there is a test match failure.

 

[shiznit]

There were no game threads for the 20/20 game so I wanted to post here....

Adam Milne... He hit 153ks last night on a pretty slow pitch.

It was interesting listening to former West Indian fast bowler Ian Bishops opinion of him... He seemed to think he will get even quicker once he makes adjustments to his action and fills out.

 

[vvvrulz]

There were no game threads for the 20/20 game so I wanted to post here....

Adam Milne... He hit 153ks last night on a pretty slow pitch.

It was interesting listening to former West Indian fast bowler Ian Bishops opinion of him... He seemed to think he will get even quicker once he makes adjustments to his action and fills out.

For a while now I've been saying Milne needs a consistent run at the top level including tests. By NZ standards any guy who can fire it in at 150+ is pure gold. Its no good giving him the odd T20 game here and there, throw him in the deep end for a while and see what comes out of it.

 

[Fast Eddie]

I'd look at replacing Fulton with Latham at the top of the order. If we want to squeeze Ryder in then B Mac has to open, and he averages 35 there. For a NZ opener, solid. (he should be striving to average 45 with the bat blah blah blah I know, I know) Stick with Rutherford for another series or two at least.

McCullum/Latham
Rutherford
Williamson
Taylor
Ryder/McCullum
Anderson
Watling
Sodhi
Southee
Wagner
Boult

Very solid team

ODI

Guptil
Ryder
Williamson
Taylor
McCullum
Anderson
Watling/Ronchi/Latham take your pick. Be inclined to go with Latham
N McCullum
Southee
McClenghan
Milne

Maybe Mills instead of Milne

Twenty/20

Who gives a shit