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Next Captain of the Wallabies?

aussies1st

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Who should take over from Gregan as captain for the Wallabies?

Main 2 canidates listed in foxsports was Giteau and Turini



Ella's push for captain Giteau
By Peter Badel
September 11, 2005

FORMER Test captain Mark Ella believes the Wallabies are facing a leadership dilemma with no obvious successor to besieged skipper George Gregan.

Because there is no standout candidate, Ella has urged the ARU to take a punt on Matt Giteau, who turns 23 this month.

"I think Matty can do it," Ella said. "The captain doesn't have to have age or vast experience. Nick Farr-Jones didn't have a great deal of experience but he was a great success.

"It's a job where you either mature or fail and Giteau is a good footballer and a good thinker. He can handle it."

As Gregan fights to save his Test career, Australian rugby is set to confront the critical task of finding its next leader - an issue it may need to address before the 2007 World Cup.

Ella was among several rugby identities contacted by The Sunday Telegraph and most fear there is no definitive replacement for Gregan.

Towering forward Nathan Sharpe has been Gregan's long-time deputy, but Ella questioned his captaincy claims and insists the ARU faces a complex leadership decision.

"There are a number of concerns surrounding the Wallabies at present and the captaincy is at the forefront of them," Ella said. "Sharpe has support as the heir apparent but I'm not that crazy about him, although that's not to say he can't be a good captain."

Phil Waugh is considered by many as a perfect fit for the job but he is not yet a fixture in the starting side.


Five-eighth Stephen Larkham, at 31, is in the twilight of his career. Sharpe has doubters, while halfback deputy Chris Whitaker, who has previously led the Wallabies, is 18 months younger than Gregan.

Former Wallabies lock Tim Gavin said 23-year-old centre Morgan Turinui possessed leadership qualities.

"I like Turinui. If he can cement his place in the side, I think he's a definite option," Gavin said.

"It won't be easy to replace George but Morgan is an articulate guy who's talkative on the field.

"Phil Waugh could be a very good captain. He leads by example and has the respect of his peers, but he has been on the bench recently."

Former Test skipper John Eales said the Wallabies' next skipper would need a quality right-hand man.

"As a captain, it's important to have the right people around you," Eales said.

"I was lucky to have George (Gregan). A lot

of my success can be attributed to the support he gave me.

"George has been an outstanding leader, so replacing him won't be easy.

"It's hard for me to nominate one bloke because I'm a bit removed from the team unit, but there are some quality leaders in the side. "I think Nathan Sharpe, Steve Larkham, Phil Waugh and Stirling Mortlock have leadership qualities in some capacity."

The Sunday Telegraph



http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,16557609-23217,00.html

 

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And the facts on Turini



Turinui a future Test captain
Comment by Wayne Smith
September 10, 2005

MAT ROGERS has never claimed to be a deep thinker where rugby is concerned. Indeed, just the opposite.

A natural-born footballer, as Wallabies coach Eddie Jones described him recently, he keeps his mind uncluttered on the field, all the better to give his amazing instincts free rein.

But last Sunday in Auckland, the blurry morning after his astonishing night before when he had performed so magnificently against the All Blacks in his Test debut at five-eighth, Rogers sat down with the media and gave one of the more delightful and insightful interviews of his career.

Tucked away in the midst of it was a tribute to the man he credited with taking most of the tactical strain off his shoulders at Eden Park.

"Morgan Turinui is a freak, a once in a lifetime footballer," Rogers proclaimed. "He's 23 but he's got the head of a 33-year-old ... every time we got a penalty, I'd look at him and he'd have everything organised for me.

"He's a machine. He was bred to play footy and run the show and I think he will be a very worthy captain one day."

Rogers' words resonated with me, as words always do when they reinforce one's own opinion. The first time I interviewed Turinui, just before his Test debut as a 21-year-old against Ireland in Perth in June 2003, I came away convinced I'd just met the future Australia captain but didn't quite have the courage to put that audacious thought into print.

It wasn't until we were back in Perth again for the recent Tri-Nations Test against the Springboks, that I finally convinced myself to write it, describing Turinui as "an articulate, intelligent player who has about him the stamp of a future Test captain". Two years is a long time to dither and doubt but then Turinui has given his supporters every reason to question him. Initially a lazy trainer, he looked out of place in Australia's 2003 World Cup squad.

Where Brendan Cannon was organising bare-chested photos of all the front-rowers, realising none of them would ever look so fit and trim again in their entire lives, the Turinui torso stayed coyly covered.


He appeared flabby and unprepared and Jones clearly thought so too, using him only once during the Cup campaign and then as a reserve in the meaningless romp against Namibia.

He was big on the punt then, too, Turinui, and I'm not talking about his kicking game. Some future Test captain he was going to be, I thought, when it didn't look like he would even have a Test future.

There were signs of a turnaround at the start of 2004 and, after coming off the bench to make just one tackle in the first Test against Scotland in Melbourne, he was given his big chance in the second when Matt Giteau was forced out with injury.

He made a line break, scored a try and completed nine tackles - but it was the four he missed, two of them on opposite number Andy Henderson, that sealed his fate.

Nine Tests went by without him. Initially overlooked for the spring tour, he gained a toehold in the Wallabies squad only after performing well enough for Australia A against the French Barbarians to earn an invitation to remain with the team for the rest of the tour.

Then Stirling Mortlock was injured, and Turinui found himself in the starting line-up against England at Twickenham in November. And this time his defence held.

This year, little by little, Turinui has consolidated his place in the Wallabies backline. There are still concerns about his catch-pass skills, although his neat off-load for Clyde Rathbone's try against the Springboks in Perth showed he at least is heading in the right direction.

But his defence is holding, his grip on a permanent Test position firming and finally, with parenthood giving him a new sense of direction off the field as well, he is starting to emerge as a team leader.

It's not likely that the Wallabies will be needing a new captain in the short term. George Gregan continues to frustrate his critics and perversely, given the Wallabies' gruesome run of five straight losses, actually seems to be growing in stature as a leader.

It takes admirable strength of character to maintain one's dignity in the face of the barrage he has weathered over the past two months, although a clean sweep of the spring tour Tests wouldn't do his survival chances any harm either.

But there is no doubt the search for his successor is well under way. Second-rower Nathan Sharpe remains the front-runner and it won't have been overlooked how impressively he led from the front when he deputised for the injured Gregan against Samoa this season.

Phil Waugh, too, has come into the frame and will firm as a captaincy contender if the experiment with George Smith at number eight that began so promisingly in Auckland continues to flourish.

While he and Smith are locked in an arm-wrestle for the openside flanker's role, Waugh cannot command a permanent Test position, no matter how much he warrants it. But if that nexus can be broken and a convenient way found to include both players in the backrow, then suddenly Waugh becomes a very viable option as captain.

Yet there is no doubt Rogers picked up on something of significance last Saturday night at Eden Park.

Turinui has a cool head in a crisis, he is an astute student of the game and, of all the Wallabies, he has the best grasp of the type of rugby Jones wants his team to play. Or, at the very least, he articulates it better than anyone else. So it may well be that the Wallabies unearthed more than a new five-eighth contender last weekend. It may be they also discovered their next captain.
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,16549604-23217,00.html

I haven't seen either of these 2 really step up leadership wise. Turini I know has the brains which I heard about during the Super 12. Giteau hasn't done too much leadership wise.
The favourite would have to be the guy that can secure a position in the 15. Currently that would be Giteau who is a definite at 12.
 

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I am gonna throw a spanner in the works and go for Clyde Rathbone he captained the South African under 21's to a World Cup victoy and many people might not know but Jake White actually promised him the Sringboks captaincy if he would come home and play for them CLyde always stays cool even when his former countrymen give him the odd "treatment" and when under pressue.

Turinui would aslo be another good candidate but I don't think Giteua has what it takes, he can become invisble on the field when the opposition muscles up in defense.
 

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Phil Waugh.

Turinui is an aweful trainer and Gitaeu ahs shown no leadership qualities at all. Ella is just pissing in his pocket.
 

bayrep

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I couldnt see a SA born player being made captain going down well with the Aus public the media would have a field day.
 

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Major difference I would have thought. Rathbone spent to first 22 years of his life in SA.
 

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Waugh probably has a better chance to become captain given he has the 7 jersey wrapped up. Sharpe would have to be the favourite though given he is vice captain, and a definite in the starting 15
 

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I don't know, what about Rogers if he cements his spot at 10, otherwise I would go for Rathbone/Smith/waugh
 

aussies1st

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Rogers is too old isn't he? I think they want a long term one. Also Rogers said in that article above he thinks Turini should be captain.
 

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