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nick stevens

Stormin Norman

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wit carlton getting good picks in the draft this year and players like johnson and scotland steping up wit andrew walker going to be a superstar at the end of this season i'd say trade nick stevens to collingwood its where he wants to play he is arogant and only playing to up his price lets do what port should have done get a top 10 draft pick and i gun player.
 

CyberKev

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Stormin Norman said:
wit carlton getting good picks in the draft this year and players like johnson and scotland steping up wit andrew walker going to be a superstar at the end of this season i'd say trade nick stevens to collingwood its where he wants to play he is arogant and only playing to up his price lets do what port should have done get a top 10 draft pick and i gun player.

Too much, too little, too late!

With Stevens under contract he can't go anywhere now...

You'll have to wait until next season!

Of course, Colingwood are almost certainly in for a crap year and will thus have high picks to work with.

One would imagine that they would find better value elsewhere, rather than spend precious first round picks on a handy, but unspectacular outside midfielder.

CyberKev
 

Hoggy

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Why are we instore for a crap year? We've had our crap year, we will get a good match ready midfielder, we recruited Chad Morrison who I rate highly and hopefully we remain relatively injury/suspension free.

That and the blooding of Richards, C.Cloke, Rowe, King, Davidson and Maxwell having had experience at the highest level and we should be set.

Also Stevens is on a 4 year contract, Stevens is useless to us. There is no point chasing him, he will probably be Carlton captain.

I'm not predicting we woin't be beaten all year and all that but you can't just say we will be crap for no reason. Obviously we were crap in '04 but we clearly underachieved. I reckon we will be back in the finals and hopefully top 4. More realistically after 22 rounds around 6th though.

After round 4 we should be equal 1st at the very least.
 

meltiger

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Hoggy said:
Why are we instore for a crap year?

Because you are crap?

Cut the Collingwood hype crap out, the Skunks are shitte and two massively over-acheiving years cannot hide that fact.

Last year you were even pasted by a team that couldn't beat itself in an intra-club match (Richmond).

Their virtual non-participation in the trade period was an act of sheer lunacy on Malthouse's part given the large number of overly average players at his disposal.
 

CyberKev

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Hoggy said:
Why are we instore for a crap year? We've had our crap year, we will get a good match ready midfielder, we recruited Chad Morrison who I rate highly and hopefully we remain relatively injury/suspension free.

Chad Morrison is a solid, but unspectacular footballer. I like him as a player, but he is no superstar and has been beset by injury worries. Every club hopes to be injury free, but some clubs are clearly better placed to deal with it than others. Collingwood didn't have a great run in 2004, but other clubs fared worse. Port seem to have bad runs every year and this was no exception... Didn't stop them from winning the flag though. And Morrison will not be the answer to Collingwood's deeper midfield woes. He is hardly a cheetah on the paddock, and Collingwood have clearly been exposed for lack of leg speed out of the centre.

That and the blooding of Richards, C.Cloke, Rowe, King, Davidson and Maxwell having had experience at the highest level and we should be set.

Most clubs blood new players during a season and most would have stronger youngsters to blood than that group.

Also Stevens is on a 4 year contract, Stevens is useless to us. There is no point chasing him, he will probably be Carlton captain.

Agreed.

I'm not predicting we woin't be beaten all year and all that but you can't just say we will be crap for no reason. Obviously we were crap in '04 but we clearly underachieved. I reckon we will be back in the finals and hopefully top 4. More realistically after 22 rounds around 6th though.

I'm not saying anything for no reason. As with most pundits outside of Victoria Park, I'm making an assessment based on the depth and quality of the Magpie list. Its possible that Collingwood underachieved in 2004, but its also true that the club overachieved across 2002-03. Performing above expectations is a fab effort, but it also results in clubs glossing over the cracks inherent in their playing lists and these gaps are widening by the day for Collingwood. The Pies will pick up a quality youngster at 8 (probably a ruck type who will take years to come on) and will most likely get solid types at 24 and 40. Poor drafting and limited top end options in recent years, however, mean that they have fallen behind most clubs in terms of the calibre of youngster coming through.

At the end of the day, Collingwood will need a lot to go their way and a lot not to go other clubs' way for them to play finals football in 2005. In real terms, their list is bottom 6 standard and will battle to hold steady much leass improve over the next year or several. Poor rucks, slow midfielders, few genuine class players, and a fragile defence will be hard weaknesses to disguise over the course of a full AFL season.


After round 4 we should be equal 1st at the very least.

Time will be the judge of that, but where a side is placed after Round 4 is of little relevance come the close of Round 22.

At any rate, if you think Collingwood are monties to beat a refreshed Bulldogs, an improving Carlton, or an ever respectable Kangaroos during that opening month then you're wide awake in dreamland...

CyberKev
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
After round 4 we should be equal 1st at the very least.

Time will be the judge of that, but where a side is placed after Round 4 is of little relevance come the close of Round 22.

Remember our discussions when Richmond was 2nd in 03 after 6 rounds ;-) Tend to agree with you nowadays :( lol
 

Hoggy

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Stormin Norman said:
yes but u predicted u would win your last 4 games this yr and make the finals u finished lower that carlton

Yeah that was called believing heart above your head. ;-)

We do have a very handy draw to start our year up though and momentum is everything.

WB @ MCG (2/2 in 2004)
Adel @ TD (1/1 in 2004)
Carl @ MCG (0/2 in 2004 but we f**king owe you)
Kang @ MCG (1/1 in 2004)
 

Hoggy

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meltiger said:
Because you are crap?

Cut the Collingwood hype crap out, the Skunks are shitte and two massively over-acheiving years cannot hide that fact.

I dare say no club can over-achieve to the point of two GF's in 2 years. More of a point of under-achieving.

Last year you were even pasted by a team that couldn't beat itself in an intra-club match (Richmond).

Yeah, I said our year was shit.

Their virtual non-participation in the trade period was an act of sheer lunacy on Malthouse's part given the large number of overly average players at his disposal.

Well we got Morrison and we will get a handy player in the PSD. (looks like McGrath from Brisbane). I'm happy with that.
 

Hoggy

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CyberKev said:
Chad Morrison is a solid, but unspectacular footballer. I like him as a player, but he is no superstar and has been beset by injury worries. Every club hopes to be injury free, but some clubs are clearly better placed to deal with it than others. Collingwood didn't have a great run in 2004, but other clubs fared worse. Port seem to have bad runs every year and this was no exception... Didn't stop them from winning the flag though. And Morrison will not be the answer to Collingwood's deeper midfield woes. He is hardly a cheetah on the paddock, and Collingwood have clearly been exposed for lack of leg speed out of the centre.

Well I don't expect Morrison to just give us a Premiership just like that. I reckon Julian Rowe is the key, we have to keep blooding our youngsters which I mentioned above. That and Didak and Davis will add pace to our midfield. The only player I wanted that would have been reasonable I thought out of trade week that we did not get was Wojcinski.

Most clubs blood new players during a season and most would have stronger youngsters to blood than that group.

Well I would imagine Maxwell, Rowe, C.Cloke, Richards and hopefully Davidson to be in our best 22 next year.

AI'm not saying anything for no reason. As with most pundits outside of Victoria Park, I'm making an assessment based on the depth and quality of the Magpie list. Its possible that Collingwood underachieved in 2004, but its also true that the club overachieved across 2002-03. Performing above expectations is a fab effort, but it also results in clubs glossing over the cracks inherent in their playing lists and these gaps are widening by the day for Collingwood. The Pies will pick up a quality youngster at 8 (probably a ruck type who will take years to come on) and will most likely get solid types at 24 and 40. Poor drafting and limited top end options in recent years, however, mean that they have fallen behind most clubs in terms of the calibre of youngster coming through.

Well we are getting Travis Cloke one year early and for a 3rd round draft pick so that helps us, remembering Richards will be our number 1 ruck anyway. I would imagine our #10 pick would go for a fast young midfielder. Cracks are there, but we got rid of some of the dead wood, (Williams remains) and we do need depth. After all we started 2004 with only 27 players that had played seniors.

At the end of the day, Collingwood will need a lot to go their way and a lot not to go other clubs' way for them to play finals football in 2005. In real terms, their list is bottom 6 standard and will battle to hold steady much leass improve over the next year or several. Poor rucks, slow midfielders, few genuine class players, and a fragile defence will be hard weaknesses to disguise over the course of a full AFL season.

I disagree on poor rucks, Richards improved a LOT and we have Fraser as fairly handy back up (10 Brownlow votes, all in the ruck). Our midfield isn't the quickest but it is more than capable, look at Buckley, Licuria, Burns, Woewodin, Lockyer, Holland, etc. All great players in their own right. Our class players are enough, Buckley, Tarrant, Rocca, Clement, Burns, Licuria, etc and our defense was the one thing that kept the club going this year. How can you say our defense is poor when it was the catalyst to back to back GF efforts. Clement was AA and won the Copeland, Wakelin was great until he got his arm broken (Lynch hates Wakelins), Presti was solid, Johnson was 2nd in the b&f, Cole is now a first 18 player and Maxwell has cemented a spot for himself.


Time will be the judge of that, but where a side is placed after Round 4 is of little relevance come the close of Round 22.

Look at our draw above.

At any rate, if you think Collingwood are monties to beat a refreshed Bulldogs, an improving Carlton, or an ever respectable Kangaroos during that opening month then you're wide awake in dreamland...

We'll just wait and see.
 

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