No Dureau, who will be general kicker?

[Frederick]

But yeah, my problem isn't as much gambling on the games, but its the fact that the organisations taking money from the gambling ( the NRL, Knights etc ) feel no need to have full disclosure and integrity for the punters in doing so.

There is nothing stopping Smith etc naming his preferred 17, while every team is made to disclose injuries and likelihood of players actually playing. If there is injuries etc that arise, shadow players are named and fully disclosed on Tuesday. It isn't that hard to do.

Well, that's just tough luck for the people willing to throw away their hard earned on a game with many, many variables. The NRL and the clubs aren't holding guns to peoples heads, forcing them to gamble.

 

[Whats Doing]

If only people really knew what goes on and how the mug punter actually gets ripped off in betting, you would not be betting. It is not a level playing field, believe me

 

[Karmawave]

Well, that's just tough luck for the people willing to throw away their hard earned on a game with many, many variables. The NRL and the clubs aren't holding guns to peoples heads, forcing them to gamble.

No they aren't, but they could have the best of both worlds and provide some disclosure rules for integrity in doing so surely?

They could easily put some simple rules into place for the naming and selection of teams and show that they actually care even one bit about the integrity of their game, and the revenue gained from fans punting on the matches.

That way, everyone would be happy and on a level playing field, right?

If they did that, some people who don't bet currently on the NRL ( like me ) , might actually consider betting on a game or two! ( And I'd even bet on Knightsbet and add to revenue because I'd no doubt lose more than I win :lol: )

As it stands, there's no way in the world I'd bet on a game not regulated by its governing body - in this case the NRL.

That would be all well and good, if the NRL weren't making a motza out of gambling. But they do...

 

[BG]

Karma,

Firstly, the only responsibility the coaches have is to the people supporting their team. They have a right, a duty really, to do whatever they see fit within the rules to improve their chances of victory for whomever has something invested in the team's performance. Be it their money, heart, soul, or sanity (hello Yosh!).

If the NRL wanted to prioritise the gambling aspect of the sport they could bring in all sorts of regulations to solidify information to the public. This would be a huge mistake imho. Rugby League isn't racing. There's a lot of gambling on it but it's not built on it. Racing primarily exists for people to bet. Also, everything that racing does in terms of disclosure and trying to make it seem as clean as possible is all about generating more betting... thus making gambling more of a problem for more people. I thought you were concerned by that.

Furthermore, where do you draw the line? Once you start pandering to the betting interest you end up heading towards absurdity. In horse racing trainers are supposed to disclose any change of tactic. If a horse that's been leading in its races is suddenly going to be ridden from behind they have to announce it in advance. So if you're going to tighten the rules on team changes are you going to insist a coach informs the world that his team which has been playing no-frills football the past month is going to suddenly throw the ball around, and to watch out for their set-move chip kick from the first scrum of the second half?

 

[Pika]

And, under the current system, its transparent.

Everyone knows the teams announced on Tuesay are not correct, therefore there is no deception.

Its bet at your own risk.

I could agree with you if there was a rule in place that the team selected on Tuesday must be as close to possible, but thats not the case.

You seem to think that there is some deception involved and that gamblers are somehow duped into parting with cash.

You admit yourself that you would bet more if there was rules governing selected teams. This is the same choice everyone has, why should we feel sympathy for those who choose not to exercise that same decision you make?

Its simply not the case.

 

[Karmawave]

Yet its somehow underhanded that Clubs and NRL profit when some clown takes this info as gospel and puts the house on it?

When the NRL and clubs taking profits from gambling could easily put some simple regulation in place that would show some integrity while at the same time not affecting the coaches - yes it is underhanded.

It isn't asking for much is it? To have a governing body making money off punters to have some integrity and regulations in place to oversee the fairness for all involved?

I'm sure any minor regulation that tells Coach Smith that he has to fully disclose his team and shadow reserves for any given game, isn't really going to change the outcome for the teams winning or losing a game!

Anyone sitting here who thinks that a coaches last minute changes that surprise us the fans, are not already known of by the opposition well before the day are naive.

 

[Karmawave]

I could agree with you if there was a rule in place that the team selected on Tuesday must be as close to possible, but thats not the case.

You seem to think that there is some deception involved and that gamblers are somehow duped into parting with cash.

Its simply not the case.

No thats not what I mean at all. I don't believe punters are being intentionally misled!

Im saying there SHOULD be a rule put into place for the naming of the teams so that an organisation who makes revenue from gambling has some kinda credibility, integrity and morals in doing so.

 

[Pika]

But there is not a rule in place, and the punters know this.

Therefore they bet knowing this.

Then I have no sympathy for them and the NRL or the Clubs are not responsible.

 

[BG]

I'm sure any minor regulation that tells Coach Smith that he has to fully disclose his team and shadow reserves for any given game, isn't really going to change the outcome for the teams winning or losing a game!

You're probably right. It's not that big a deal. Just coaches taking every little advantage they can--as they should. If it's not going to change many results why should the punters worry about it?

 

[Karmawave]

You're probably right. It's not that big a deal. Just coaches taking every little advantage they can--as they should. If it's not going to change many results why should the punters worry about it?

It becomes a big deal when someone like a Thurston or Prince are the players involved returning early from injury when the club and everyone close to the NRL know about it, but average joe does not.

Like I said 100 times, that would be all well and good if the NRL didn't have their hands out making money from gambling profits.

But they do...

I'd have no problem whatsoever with the teams doing whatever the bloody hell they want with their selections and still being betting on games - IF and ONLY IF the NRL and clubs did not profit from the revenue.

The NRL won't ever let that happen though will they - they have their hands in the profit pie now...

 

[Karmawave]

NRL or the Clubs are not responsible.

As it stands, you're 100% right!

But does that make it morally right when the NRL and the clubs have their hands out reaping in profits from gambling? To not have a regulated system in place?

Even Channel 9 has sold themselves out. I found it appalling hearing Voss and Rabs promoting odds through their commentary for Sportsbet.

Its one massive GAMBLING SELL OUT. :lol:

Our country ( especially NSW ), is one big betting heaven and its pretty ordinary.

It will be just a matter of time before there is a betting scandal in rugby league. Just what we need hey.

And the NRL will sit back and wonder why a couple of 19 year old kids playing Toyota Cup earning $30,000 a year and a slim chance of first grade, decided to band together and throw a match to make easy $$$ because the NYC can be gambled on now too.

The NRL will come out and talk down this and get on their moral soapbox and say " now this is very wrong boys " ...

All the while the game and television rights have sold out to gambling more than any other sport I know in the world.

 

[Yosh]

I enjoy betting... Like I dont go crazy no nothing, but sometimes its fun to put some money on the game... Doesnt mean everyone betting on the game will put their mortgage and life

savings on the line. I could be wrong though, I could be the minority.