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No Fault Stand down

Saxon

Saxon

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So, after the De Belin debacle, now we have Tui Kamikamika.

After allegedly assaulting a woman (despite social media claims by bystanders that it was minimal contact and self defence) he is stood down by Abdo - even though it didn't meet the NRL's self imposed length of potential sentence requirement for no-fault stand down.
So then comes Trial day. Queensland police rock up to court and decline to present a brief of evidence. "Sorry Judge, we got nothin'."

Apart from being a piss-poor reflection on the QLD Director of Public Prosecutions, QLD police and the QLD Judiciary system in general, it just goes (again) to highlight the reactionary, knee-jerk responses of the NRL to problems that may - or may not - actually exist. Makes as much sense as ruling ruck infringements should be given 6 again rather than Penalties, and then being surprised that refs give away more because they are seen to be a lesser punishment and consequential score blowouts.
 
nick87

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These guys get paid a lot of money to play a footy. The only requirement of them is to no bring the club and the game into disrepute and the game has a right to protect it's image, and they would be negligent not to do so.

If a handful of players end up being paid not to play (lets remember that, they're still getting paid) whilst their legal situations play out to protect that image and the millions of dollars at stake for the rest of the league, so be it.

Is it fair? Probably not. But as i always tell my kids, fair is the a place they judge pigs. Life isn't fair, you've just got to accept that and deal with it.
 
Twizzle

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Storm star stood down by NRL under no-fault stand down policy after assault charges​

Tui Kamikamica of the Storm is seen during a Melbourne Storm NRL training session at Gosch's Paddock in Melbourne, Tuesday, June 2, 2020. (AAP Image/Michael Dodge) NO ARCHIVING

Tui Kamikamica of the Storm is seen during a Melbourne Storm NRL training session at Gosch's Paddock in Melbourne, Tuesday, June 2, 2020. (AAP Image/Michael Dodge) NO ARCHIVINGSource: AAP
Staff Writers from Fox Sports
December 20th, 2021 5:41 pm
Storm star Tui Kamikamica has been stood down by the NRL under the no-fault stand down policy after he was charged with assault after an incident last month.
“The NRL has today advised Melbourne Storm prop Tui Kamikamica that he will be subject to the NRL’s No Fault Stand Down policy,” the Storm said in a statement.
“Kamikamica was stood down from training by Storm in November after he was charged with assault.
“He has since informed the club he intends to enter a plea of not guilty to the charges.
“The NRL’s No Fault Stand Down policy allows Kamikamica to continue training, but he will be unavailable for selection to play while court proceedings are ongoing.
“As a result of the policy, and having considered all available information, the club believes it is appropriate that Kamikamica returns to training tomorrow.
“The club will make no further comment as the matter is now before the courts.”

www.foxsports.com.au

Storm star stood down by NRL under no-fault stand down policy after assault charges

Storm star stood down by NRL under no-fault stand down policy after assault charges
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JamesRustle

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I can't wait to hear from Bart Campbell... he was very vocal about De Belin at the time.

Are Storm sponsors threatening to leave because of player behaviour, especially on of their own?
 
Iamback

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nick87 said:
These guys get paid a lot of money to play a footy. The only requirement of them is to no bring the club and the game into disrepute and the game has a right to protect it's image, and they would be negligent not to do so.

If a handful of players end up being paid not to play (lets remember that, they're still getting paid) whilst their legal situations play out to protect that image and the millions of dollars at stake for the rest of the league, so be it.

Is it fair? Probably not. But as i always tell my kids, fair is the a place they judge pigs. Life isn't fair, you've just got to accept that and deal with it.
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Except if cases aren't even getting to court... Then the players has done nothing wrong
 
Perth Red

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Iamback said:
Except if cases aren't even getting to court... Then the players has done nothing wrong
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He was charged and it did get to court but was dismissed as prosecution didn't offer any evidence. I wonder if the complainant refused to give evidence for some reason? hmmm.
 
Iamback

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Perth Red said:
He was charged and it did get to court but was dismissed as prosecution didn't offer any evidence. I wonder if the complainant refused to give evidence for some reason? hmmm.
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Milford's had CCTV footage and still nothing
 
Iamback

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Perth Red said:
If the victim refuses to testify then even with other evidence it seems they kick it to the sidelines.
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Which is why the rule is stupid.

The game needs to rid itself of the criminals. Not those that may be future criminals
 
Perth Red

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Iamback said:
Which is why the rule is stupid.

The game needs to rid itself of the criminals. Not those that may be future criminals
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I'm ok with it if someone is charged. It generally shows there is cause.
Would be a shocking look for the NRL if a player is allowed to run around for 12 months and is then sent down for rape or similar.
 
Iamback

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Perth Red said:
I'm ok with it if someone is charged. It generally shows there is cause.
Would be a shocking look for the NRL if a player is allowed to run around for 12 months and is then sent down for rape or similar.
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How many have actually been convicted of a major offence though?

If it was common the NRL would have a point
 
Bazal

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I mean if the NRL as an 'employer' considers a player's conduct worthy of standing them down form their job, they have every right to do so.

Same as for any of us lot.

The one way these overpaid mugs get somewhere close to be held to account the same as any normal merkin and that's a problem too? I guess people wanna have it both ways
 
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gerg

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nick87 said:
These guys get paid a lot of money to play a footy. The only requirement of them is to no bring the club and the game into disrepute and the game has a right to protect it's image, and they would be negligent not to do so.

If a handful of players end up being paid not to play (lets remember that, they're still getting paid) whilst their legal situations play out to protect that image and the millions of dollars at stake for the rest of the league, so be it.

Is it fair? Probably not. But as i always tell my kids, fair is the a place they judge pigs. Life isn't fair, you've just got to accept that and deal with it.
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That doesn't make sense? Life isn't a place they judge pigs?
 
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