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Gronk

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So are all Muslims banned from entering the USA?

More spin. Did you even read what I posted ? They admitted that it's a Muslim ban dressed up as a country ban.

The whole thing was typical of a despot who makes rules up on the fly. He dropped this on Homeland Security without any consultation.

Secretary of Homeland Security found out about President Trump's Muslim travel ban by watching TV

It was explained this morning by a sensible chap @ US Immigration that they wanted to put a 90 day slow down on immigration so that they could put to test the vetting system. In a way to tighten up entry to the USA and to avoid potential terrorists. Far enough. However the sledge hammer way it was implemented and without consultation was ridiculous. The woman from the Iran-USA Bar Association said last night that her 70 year old grandmother (dual citizen) was detained for 36 hours, allowed 1 phone call and no visits. They then made her sign a voluntary deportation order without legal advice and interpreter.

Crazy shit.
 

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I don't agree with a lot of his policy positions but isn't he just doing what he told the American people he would do prior to getting elected? Why is there so much mock outrage?
Agreed, it's laughable how upset people are getting. This is what he campaigned on, maybe more people should of got up off their arses and voted.
 

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More spin. Did you even read what I posted ? They admitted that it's a Muslim ban dressed up as a country ban.

The whole thing was typical of a despot who makes rules up on the fly. He dropped this on Homeland Security without any consultation.

Secretary of Homeland Security found out about President Trump's Muslim travel ban by watching TV

It was explained this morning by a sensible chap @ US Immigration that they wanted to put a 90 day slow down on immigration so that they could put to test the vetting system. In a way to tighten up entry to the USA and to avoid potential terrorists. Far enough. However the sledge hammer way it was implemented and without consultation was ridiculous. The woman from the Iran-USA Bar Association said last night that her 70 year old grandmother (dual citizen) was detained for 36 hours, allowed 1 phone call and no visits. They then made her sign a voluntary deportation order without legal advice and interpreter.

Crazy shit.

I read what you posted and I agree it is all crazy shit, however the fact remains, despite whatever intention 'they' had, the ban that HAS BEEN implemented is not a muslim ban, or it would include all muslims. It is a ban on citizens of certain countries, irrespective of their religion, not a ban on a religion, irrespective of their country.

True or False?
 

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I don't agree with a lot of his policy positions but isn't he just doing what he told the American people he would do prior to getting elected? Why is there so much mock outrage?

Revved up vetting is fair enough. Its the way he went about it. You'd expect such amateur shenanigans from say Indonesia but not from the USA.
 

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I read what you posted and I agree it is all crazy shit, however the fact remains, despite whatever intention 'they' had, the ban that HAS BEEN implemented is not a muslim ban, or it would include all muslims. It is a ban on citizens of certain countries, irrespective of their religion, not a ban on a religion, irrespective of their country.

True or False?

What's true is that the intent is to block muslim ingress. How it is repackaged is window dressing.

As I said above, you can tighten up the USA visa process without controversy.

Merkins are up in arms over the detention of US citizens, visa and green card holders.

Amateur hour.
 
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I don't agree with a lot of his policy positions but isn't he just doing what he told the American people he would do prior to getting elected? Why is there so much mock outrage?

Well, I think the fact that the Muslim country that provided the overwhelming majority of the terrorists who committed terrorist acts on US soil (Saudi Arabia) is not provided for in the recent crack down tells us plenty. He didn't tell the US people that he was going to exempt the biggest bunch of f**kwits. But he wouldn't want to jeopardise the Trump Corp investments there.
 

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What's true is that the intent is to block muslim ingress. How it is repackaged is window dressing.

As I said above, you can tighten up the USA visa process without controversy.

Merkins are up in arms over the detention of US citizens, visa and green card holders.

Amateur hour.

No, what is true is the intent to block select Middle-Eastern muslim ingress. No blockage of Asian muslims, Australian muslims, UK or European muslims, etc.

I totally agree that Trump and his advisors are a bunch of merkins, but don't accuse people of buying into the spin when you are effectively doing the same thing.
 

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Revved up vetting is fair enough. Its the way he went about it. You'd expect such amateur shenanigans from say Indonesia but not from the USA.
No. I expect it from Trump as well!

Surely you can't be surprised at how reckless he has been?
 

Gronk

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No, what is true is the intent to block select Middle-Eastern muslim ingress. No blockage of Asian muslims, Australian muslims, UK or European muslims, etc.

I totally agree that Trump and his advisors are a bunch of merkins, but don't accuse people of buying into the spin when you are effectively doing the same thing.

I'm not buying into spin. If you want me to be more accurate then it is a muslim ban from selected countries.

What most clear headed people don't buy is that mayhem at the airports is to provide safety to US citizens. Based on what facts ? He quoted 9/11 is his Executive order yet failed to ban Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc

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Do any of you suburban merkins keep chickens or perhaps you neighbours may have ? Any dramas ?

Up until about a year ago we were living next door to a family in suburban western Sydney, typical setting, quarter acre blocks etc... They started keeping chickens. At first it was just a few and it was OK. We had always got along really well, his kids would always be over playing with my kids in the front yard - footy, soccer, cricket... good stuff, just like the old days when I was growing up...

But then he started getting more and more in to not just keeping chickens for the eggs, but breeding them (to sell, some of them were fancy exotic breeds of chicken) and started keeping dozens... and I mean dozens. He used to keep the incubator in his bedroom FFS! At any given time he's have chicks popping out of their shells and chirping away in his f**king bedroom!!! This if course led to an increase in the mouse popluation around the immediate vicinity of his home - their house and garage was for all intents and purposes infested. We started seeing them in our house, I'd leave talon (rat/mouse poison) under the kicthen sink where I was sure they were getting in and it would be gnarled away in record time... I once found a rat in my backyard. By this time I was fuming so I killed the rat with a shovel and popped it in a plastic bag and brought it over to show him... He was apologetic but then started making excuses about how the rats were coming from the (underground) sewer line that ran all the way along the back fences of his and ours properties... it was lame, I just said, mate, every house has a sewer line around here but they're not getting rats and I'd never seen any until the chickens came along...

The worst part, if the mice and rats weren't bad enough, was the smell. With the amount of chickens he was keeping, coupled with the fact that he wasn't real vigilant in cleaning up after them, in the warmer months you'd walk out the back door and the stench of chicken shit was foul/fowl (take your pick!).... Plenty of the other neighbours obviously had lost patience too as a number of complaints were made to the council. But they were toothless... Inspection after inspection, but nothing was done about it... Sometimes in really hot weather in December/January, a few of the chickens would die from the heat and he'd throw the carcasses in to an open plastic drum/bin thingy on the side of his house. So the smell from that was horrendous until he disposed of them properly, and of course that was attracting more vermin.

In the end I confronted him and just said he needed to get rid of them or cull back to 3 or 4 only (which I think you're allowed to do)... He ended up giving them to a bloke he'd met as part of selling them online who lived on a few acres over Richmond or Windsor or something like that.

I could go on forever and while I know you're not planning on keeping the numbers this guy was, I would do the courteous thing and run it past your neighbours. To be honest, even keeping just 3 or 4 is going to attract mice and/or rats. You have to vigilant with cleaning up after them if you want to stay on your neighbours good side (in my experience).

Bottom line is, I think people who want to keep chickens should consider moving to semi-rural areas or acreages. In built up suburban areas, I just don't think it works, the downsides outweigh the upsides IMO
 

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Up until about a year ago we were living next door to a family in suburban western Sydney, typical setting, quarter acre blocks etc... They started keeping chickens. At first it was just a few and it was OK. We had always got along really well, his kids would always be over playing with my kids in the front yard - footy, soccer, cricket... good stuff, just like the old days when I was growing up...

But then he started getting more and more in to not just keeping chickens for the eggs, but breeding them (to sell, some of them were fancy exotic breeds of chicken) and started keeping dozens... and I mean dozens. He used to keep the incubator in his bedroom FFS! At any given time he's have chicks popping out of their shells and chirping away in his f**king bedroom!!! This if course led to an increase in the mouse popluation around the immediate vicinity of his home - their house and garage was for all intents and purposes infested. We started seeing them in our house, I'd leave talon (rat/mouse poison) under the kicthen sink where I was sure they were getting in and it would be gnarled away in record time... I once found a rat in my backyard. By this time I was fuming so I killed the rat with a shovel and popped it in a plastic bag and brought it over to show him... He was apologetic but then started making excuses about how the rats were coming from the (underground) sewer line that ran all the way along the back fences of his and ours properties... it was lame, I just said, mate, every house has a sewer line around here but they're not getting rats and I'd never seen any until the chickens came along...

The worst part, if the mice and rats weren't bad enough, was the smell. With the amount of chickens he was keeping, coupled with the fact that he wasn't real vigilant in cleaning up after them, in the warmer months you'd walk out the back door and the stench of chicken shit was foul/fowl (take your pick!).... Plenty of the other neighbours obviously had lost patience too as a number of complaints were made to the council. But they were toothless... Inspection after inspection, but nothing was done about it... Sometimes in really hot weather in December/January, a few of the chickens would die from the heat and he'd throw the carcasses in to an open plastic drum/bin thingy on the side of his house. So the smell from that was horrendous until he disposed of them properly, and of course that was attracting more vermin.

In the end I confronted him and just said he needed to get rid of them or cull back to 3 or 4 only (which I think you're allowed to do)... He ended up giving them to a bloke he'd met as part of selling them online who lived on a few acres over Richmond or Windsor or something like that.

I could go on forever and while I know you're not planning on keeping the numbers this guy was, I would do the courteous thing and run it past your neighbours. To be honest, even keeping just 3 or 4 is going to attract mice and/or rats. You have to vigilant with cleaning up after them if you want to stay on your neighbours good side (in my experience).

Bottom line is, I think people who want to keep chickens should consider moving to semi-rural areas or acreages. In built up suburban areas, I just don't think it works, the downsides outweigh the upsides IMO
He sounds like a f**kwit.
 

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Up until about a year ago we were living next door to a family in suburban western Sydney, typical setting, quarter acre blocks etc... They started keeping chickens. At first it was just a few and it was OK. We had always got along really well, his kids would always be over playing with my kids in the front yard - footy, soccer, cricket... good stuff, just like the old days when I was growing up...

But then he started getting more and more in to not just keeping chickens for the eggs, but breeding them (to sell, some of them were fancy exotic breeds of chicken) and started keeping dozens... and I mean dozens. He used to keep the incubator in his bedroom FFS! At any given time he's have chicks popping out of their shells and chirping away in his f**king bedroom!!! This if course led to an increase in the mouse popluation around the immediate vicinity of his home - their house and garage was for all intents and purposes infested. We started seeing them in our house, I'd leave talon (rat/mouse poison) under the kicthen sink where I was sure they were getting in and it would be gnarled away in record time... I once found a rat in my backyard. By this time I was fuming so I killed the rat with a shovel and popped it in a plastic bag and brought it over to show him... He was apologetic but then started making excuses about how the rats were coming from the (underground) sewer line that ran all the way along the back fences of his and ours properties... it was lame, I just said, mate, every house has a sewer line around here but they're not getting rats and I'd never seen any until the chickens came along...

The worst part, if the mice and rats weren't bad enough, was the smell. With the amount of chickens he was keeping, coupled with the fact that he wasn't real vigilant in cleaning up after them, in the warmer months you'd walk out the back door and the stench of chicken shit was foul/fowl (take your pick!).... Plenty of the other neighbours obviously had lost patience too as a number of complaints were made to the council. But they were toothless... Inspection after inspection, but nothing was done about it... Sometimes in really hot weather in December/January, a few of the chickens would die from the heat and he'd throw the carcasses in to an open plastic drum/bin thingy on the side of his house. So the smell from that was horrendous until he disposed of them properly, and of course that was attracting more vermin.

In the end I confronted him and just said he needed to get rid of them or cull back to 3 or 4 only (which I think you're allowed to do)... He ended up giving them to a bloke he'd met as part of selling them online who lived on a few acres over Richmond or Windsor or something like that.

I could go on forever and while I know you're not planning on keeping the numbers this guy was, I would do the courteous thing and run it past your neighbours. To be honest, even keeping just 3 or 4 is going to attract mice and/or rats. You have to vigilant with cleaning up after them if you want to stay on your neighbours good side (in my experience).

Bottom line is, I think people who want to keep chickens should consider moving to semi-rural areas or acreages. In built up suburban areas, I just don't think it works, the downsides outweigh the upsides IMO

I forgot about the smell of chook poo. I stink out the neighbourhood when I put Dynamic Lifter on the garden.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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I'm surprised that the Council didn't act on the complaints.
They could have easily enforced him to cut back the numbers to the allowed limit, I would have thought.

Anyway, it's much more preferable talking about chicken shit than Trump, although the two go hand in hand tbh.
 
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Despite the US state department saying that the refugee swap deal will go ahead with extreme vetting, they've just issued a 'clarification' saying that the deal might not go ahead at all. Some clarification.
 

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Despite the US state department saying that the refugee swap deal will go ahead with extreme vetting, they've just issued a 'clarification' saying that the deal might not go ahead at all. Some clarification.

Like a doctor saying "The patient is still breathing and resting comfortably. But just to clarify - he is dead"
 

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If you want me to be more accurate then it is a muslim ban from selected countries.
That'll be good when I try to emigrate from Libya to the US. I'll just tell the customs official I'm Taoist, won't be able to ban me then
 

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