NRL mismanagement?

[Stormwarrior82]

It wouldnt take much for a TV channel, say 10, to offer the ARLC money to run a mid week cup of RL teams to play in a FA cup style knock out.

Clubs like Wentworthville, Cabramatta, Redcliffe, Ipswich. Newcastle Wests, Wollongong Collegians. Mackay Cutters, Townsville Blackhawks, central Qldand Northern Pride. A Perth, Adelaide, Riverina, team too.

Put it on a Wednesday night when nothing is doing. Get some juicy sponsors on board. Bundle it all up so tv and advertisers and sponsors benefit, clubs get gate and participation fee. ARLC gets a second tv comp...exclusive and separate from NRL.

I agree partly, I don't think more games of another comp in a week is the magical answer. Maybe another comp in the offseason. A comp that could be played in the summer would be great. Maybe a massive Australian wide touch comp on channel 10. big bash touch tv. But we digress.

 

[Pedge1971]

I agree with you on the first part, but not the second. And yes the nrl are far from blameless but calling for Greenberg and Grants head is premature. I don't hear the calls for the club CEOs to go? Dib, Politis? They shoulder zero blame. Shoulders like snakes.
Grant and Greenberg were selected to there positions by well connected, successful businessmen and women. It seems Grant is more willing to go toe to toe with the club ceos than what Greenberg is. You don't want that? The Nrl has made it clear a few times that they want to go in a certain direction but get stopped by club ceos saying "what about us"? How can the Nrl sore with the eagles when they're surrounded by snakes.

Unfortunately Grant backflipping and trying to strike a deal with clubs to save himself makes his position untenable. He needs to go for integrities sake.

Totally agree blokes like Dib, Politis and their ilk should never be allowed near the running of the game. That is why the commission was established.

Impossible to have them removed from the club though.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Unfortunately Grant backflipping and trying to strike a deal with clubs to save himself makes his position untenable. He needs to go for integrities sake.

Totally agree blokes like Dib, Politis and their ilk should never be allowed near the running of the game. That is why the commission was established.

Impossible to have them removed from the club though.

The media will make you believe that he gave the clubs what they wanted and he back flipped. The media was never going to write anything different. The initial decision to take the MOU off the table was from the Arlc board. Not just Grant, the entire board. He was the mouth piece of that. The nrl then added extra conditions (kpi), and fair enough. The negotiations happened and the clubs tried to oust Grant. I can see how people on here think Grant gave in but the board made the decision. If Grant lost his job the clubs would of still held the 130% stance either way. Whether he kept his job or not the same decision would of been made. As it was The Arlc board and the clubs agreed to extra conditions and a slightly lesser % of the total pie.

 

[taipan]

Yes it's sad that those 2 commissioners felt they needed to leave. I don't think it was because of Grant at all. Remember Grant is a spokesperson of the Arlc. He has 1 vote on the board so his opinion carries the same weight as any other commissioner. It's a board decision to take the MOU off the table not Grant. The 2 that are leaving I feel, is because the way clubs are attacking the Arlc and the independence of it. The clubs can remove a commissioner and Grant is the target because they have less infuence on him. If Grant wasn't there, it would be the next qld commissioner. The clubs can't remove the Ceo (Greenberg) The 2 commissioners that are leaving I feel are pissed that the game is destroying itself from the inside. When you feel you are making zero progress and can't see the light, you escape.

The reason I mentioned the two commissioners was due to a couple of press stories.The guy who was on the AFL commission once and also negotiated one of their Tv deals, from what I heard is a smart businessman.
It just seems to me ,as soon after the 130% stuff happened he and Sutcliffe decided to leave.Based on the financial figures given for 2017,I see why.

Also I agree with you the clubs influence and their antagonism toward the ARLC ,is hardly inductive to anyone on the Board wanting to stay.
But these guys are smart business people, and they would have taken and been used to friendly fire in their own businesses in the past.Maybe they see something we don't ,who knows?The guy in question who helped with the Tv deal was Graeme Samuel,hardly a novice.

I don't particularly care who runs the ARLC as Chairman,and who is on the Board,so long as they steer the ship in the right direction, and we grow the game, instead of marking time.The only positive I've seen this year so far are record memberships.

IMO both Grant and Greenberg (and I'm critical of both at times)are good men with the rugby league code in their hearts.I get flipping frustrated with the Board and the 130% stuff,the players wanting 29% yet if the next Tv deal is less then what, and the self interested club Chairman who look only at their own backyard and not at the whole country's backyard.

I also don't know what % of the stories we get from News Ltd or the Snoring Herald as being fact or fiction.

 

[Perth Red]

Even memberships are not at records yet, I don't think we have broken last years total so far have we?

Simple fact is NRL revenue has doubled from 2012 to 2016, it is set to go up another approx $180mill a year from 2018. Aside from the bailing out of the stressed clubs every other expenditure increase has been discretionary. This NRL in last couple of years has spent money put aside for a rainy day, spent money it doesn't have by running up losses , spent a substantial advance on the 2018+ media deal and is now talking about having to borrow money. And what do we have to show for all this spending? A quicker TV video ref, some decent membership increases and some nice branding of all the states
It is incompetence at best.

 

[RL The greatest game]

And here we go again with clubs threatening to get rid of the commission. The most worrying bit is the last bit. The nrl in last couple of years has basically spent the the tens of millions put aside into the investment fund from the 2013 tv deal, run at a loss the last two years and is now talking about having to borrow money to cover a $60mill budget deficit next year. And all on the back of revenue nearly double what it had a few years ago. Wtf is going on? (Caveat this is Sydney media so truth may be skewed for sensationalism!)



In what looms as the biggest threat to John Grant's reign as ARLC chair, a meeting of all 16 NRL club chairmen has been called in Sydney next Tuesday.

Canterbury chairman Ray Dib sent out an invitation to club chairs on Friday morning, requesting a last-minute gathering with his counterparts at which it is expected the clubs will call for an extraordinary general meeting to remove Grant from power.


As a response to the immediate backlash from furious clubs after Wednesday's meeting, NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg tried to reassure the clubs that they wouldn't be out of pocket next year. He sent an email to all clubs later that night stating his intent to source the additional funds – believed likely to be in the form of a loan from major sponsor Telstra or a bank.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ove-john-grant-from-arlc-20170519-gw8r6y.html

Some clubs need to get their act together as regards finance and marketing.
You could give some clubs $10 million week and they would some how still make a loss.
Some clubs are overloaded with admin staff and that needs to be cut back and that money should be spent on junior development

 

[taipan]

Even memberships are not at records yet, I don't think we have broken last years total so far have we?

Simple fact is NRL revenue has doubled from 2012 to 2016, it is set to go up another approx $180mill a year from 2018. Aside from the bailing out of the stressed clubs every other expenditure increase has been discretionary. This NRL in last couple of years has spent money put aside for a rainy day, spent money it doesn't have by running up losses , spent a substantial advance on the 2018+ media deal and is now talking about having to borrow money. And what do we have to show for all this spending? A quicker TV video ref, some decent membership increases and some nice branding of all the states
It is incompetence at best.

From what I gather figures to Monday 22nd May membership 295,256,with some clubs still not yet reporting updates for a while e.g. Bulldogs,Warriors,Titans,Penrith.
And I understand the membership totals for 2016 included NSWRL and QRL(including country).

Salary cap has increased for starters, necessary " Discretionary " or necessary.$750,000 on the SFS possible new stadium unnecessary.The high flying salaries of useless execs unnecessary.Money wasted on lavish season openers unnecessary.
Millions on a digital division appears necessary, if as expected the next Tv deal is less as (and this is the big worry)all TV stations are struggling.
Money spent of player welfare and education necessary.Money spent on Indigenous community for rl necessary.
In view of the d*ckhead players Integrity unit necessary.Potential sponsorship and indeed sponsorship lost ,due to misdeeds of dopey players and officials.
Whatever one can debate the merits of this or that, it is plainly obvious with expenditure exceeding income ,expansion cannot be decided upon in the current Tv deal.
One other plus, we do have many more females playing rugby ;league(contact version FWIW).

I can only see crowds increasing when Parra Stadium is finished,ANZ is rectangular with cover,SFS is upgraded and the NRL controls the scheduling as from 2018.TV ratings who knows, with all the different devices now available.
Participation needs weight for age and now talk of free rego, which is a success with the Nth Sydney junior club where Daley's kid plays.