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NRL Proposes International Shake Up

DlEHARD

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ie. Oceania / Pacific Cup needs PNG.

Absolutely. It'd be unthinkable for me to not have PNG there.

I really want Roo Tours back. I want Lions Tours as well, but surely a Lions Tour after a Roos reboot would mean that it'd be so much more successful.
 

deluded pom?

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I dont understand why everyone is getting so pissy about the ARLC being "self-interested" in their proposal. Honestly, this looks like a GREAT first step for international RL...

Every nation will probably produce something similar ("we want this, we dont want this") and they will negotiate together to create the official calendar. The ARLC arent beng selfish, they are saying what they want to happen for the Kangaroos. It would be a bigger problem if they did try to speak for other nations.

Really, the only certainty you can take from this release is that the ARLC is taking international RL seriously. Thats a good thing...
I could agree with this part if the Aussies had taken it to the RLIF without shouting it from the rooftops first.
 

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A centrally hosted 8N never sat really well with me.

It would be viewed as either superior to the World Cup, or redundant, neither of which are good.

It needs some unique, differentiating feature.

There is that as well, if we're being honest our World Cup is hardly such a roaring sucess that we need a smaller version every 4 years. It's a difficult one, I would definitely have full Euro and Pacific Cups in each 4 year cycle, as for a second RLIF event maybe it would be better with a slight twist so it isn't necessarily just a mini World Cup, what that could be I'm not so sure.
 

The Great Dane

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NRL’s draft proposal...


Yeah, pretty much all of that's crap.

It's all half arsed agenda driven nonsense.
Hopefully the other nations will come to the table with the NRL and they'll sort out something more beneficial to everybody.

I get that most of the time playing lots of tests in the smaller nations isn't commercially feasible, but would it really hurt to throw the odd bone to the smaller nations once in a while and help them host the odd game on home soil? I get that there's more money to be made by playing the games in Campbelltown or wherever and that Nine and/or Fox will chuck a tanty, but there're other non-commercial reasons to take some of these games to Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, PNG, etc that would be really beneficial to everybody involved. PNG for example should never go a year without at least one game on home soil, and none of this PMs XIII BS, a real full strength test.
 

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There is that as well, if we're being honest our World Cup is hardly such a roaring sucess that we need a smaller version every 4 years. It's a difficult one, I would definitely have full Euro and Pacific Cups in each 4 year cycle, as for a second RLIF event maybe it would be better with a slight twist so it isn't necessarily just a mini World Cup, what that could be I'm not so sure.

I'd love to see an 8N in home and away form, rather than centrally hosted, over 2 years.

It fits nicely.
The WC quarter finalists automatically qualify for the next one, and gain entry to the [Prestigiously Named 8N Championship], which takes place while everyone else is running WC qualifiers.
 

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Yeah, pretty much all of that's crap.

It's all half arsed agenda driven nonsense.
Hopefully the other nations will come to the table with the NRL and they'll sort out something more beneficial to everybody.

I get that most of the time playing lots of tests in the smaller nations isn't commercially feasible, but would it really hurt to throw the odd bone to the smaller nations once in a while and help them host the odd game on home soil? I get that there's more money to be made by playing the games in Campbelltown or wherever and that Nine and/or Fox will chuck a tanty, but there're other non-commercial reasons to take some of these games to Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, PNG, etc that would be really beneficial to everybody involved. PNG for example should never go a year without at least one game on home soil, and none of this PMs XIII BS, a real full strength test.

Nah Campbelltown, home of International RL!
How about taking a proposal to the RLIF where all nations can discuss and be engaged in the decision and own it. Total arrogance from the NRL to release it before it is even presented to RLIF.

Tonga and NZ need to be playing in their home nations not in Sydney, PNG needs more games against the full kangaroo and england squads. Where's Wales, Ireland and Scotland in the schedule? If doing a proper Ashes tour why not include them and france?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Like "4 Nations tournament, Northern Hemisphere - England, France, PNG & Fiji" ?

Or even

"Oceania Cup - NZ, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji" with the key word "in June..". In other words killing the Denver test.

No harm them floating ideas for what they want for the Kangaroos, this has gone way past that though.

Yeh, they are like "Here is what we wanna do. And the teams that arent involved can do this other thing over here if they want"...

If their full proposal is actually adopted, it will be shit. But it wont be all the NRLs fault. It is the responsibility of the other nationals and the RLIF to say "most of this is unusable shit".

Self interest will ALWAYS win out. Instead of acting surprised and indignant, how about you accept this and create a system that compensates for it.
 

The Great Dane

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Nah Campbelltown, home of International RL!
How about taking a proposal to the RLIF where all nations can discuss and be engaged in the decision and own it. Total arrogance from the NRL to release it before it is even presented to RLIF.

Tonga and NZ need to be playing in their home nations not in Sydney, PNG needs more games against the full kangaroo and england squads. Where's Wales, Ireland and Scotland in the schedule? If doing a proper Ashes tour why not include them and france?

To be fair I think that is literally what they are trying to do with this proposal, it's a sloppy attempt but still I think that is what they are attempting...

The problem with playing games in Tonga aren't just commercial ones, there biggest stadium (and the only one that we'd really recognise as a stadium) is Teufaiva Sport Stadium, it's a multipurpose stadium with 10 thousand seats and basically none of the facilities necessary to host a game, even if we ignore that it'd be a chore to get it in a position where it could broadcast games to a standard that the audience in Aus, Eng, and NZ would expect, for the players it'd be like going back to when they were playing under 6s with the lack of facilities for them as well. It's also in a state of disrepair after it was damaged in a cyclone earlier this year (and it wasn't in very good condition beforehand either).

So yeah I can understand why playing games in Tonga is an issue, it's a similar situation in Fiji and Samoa though you could pull it off in Samoa and Fiji from time to time, but for PNG there's no excuse games should be played there regularly.
Lobbying the Aus and NZ governments for support to upgrade Teufaiva, Apia Park, and ANZ (Fiji) would be a good start for getting those nations in a position where they could host games regularly, it'd only cost a few million each to get them to a place where it's workable as well, and both governments waste international aid on much more frivolous things anyway.

On NZ, the only reason that more games aren't played in NZ is cause the NZRL don't organise them, they don't even try to organise internationals independent of either the NRL or RFL and haven't for a long time.
And again to be fair I don't think that the NRL's proposed schedule was intended to be a comprehensive international calendar, I think it was just a proposal for the events that they would take a part in organising or they'd be participating in some way with, hence why no schedule for Wales, Scotland, France, etc, etc.
 
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To be fair I think that is literally what they are trying to do with this proposal, it's a sloppy attempt but still I think that is what they are attempting...

The problem with playing games in Tonga aren't just commercial ones, there biggest stadium (and the only one that we'd really recognise as a stadium) is Teufaiva Sport Stadium, it's a multipurpose stadium with 10 thousand seats and basically none of the facilities necessary to host a game, even if we ignore that it'd be a chore to get it in a position where it could broadcast games to a standard that the audience in Aus, Eng, and NZ would expect, for the players it'd be like going back to when they were playing under 6s with the lack of facilities for them as well. It's also in a state of disrepair after it was damaged in a cyclone earlier this year (and it wasn't in very good condition beforehand either).

So yeah I can understand why playing games in Tonga is an issue, it's a similar situation in Fiji and Samoa though you could pull it off in Samoa and Fiji from time to time, but for PNG there's no excuse games should be played there regularly.
Lobbying the Aus and NZ governments for support to upgrade Teufaiva, Apia Park, and ANZ (Fiji) would be a good start for getting those nations in a position where they could host games regularly, it'd only cost a few million each to get them to a place where it's workable as well, and both governments waste international aid on much more frivolous things anyway.

On NZ, the only reason that more games aren't played in NZ is cause the NZRL don't organise them, they don't even try to organise internationals independent of either the NRL or RFL and haven't for a long time.
And again to be fair I don't think that the NRL's proposed schedule was intended to be a comprehensive international calendar, I think it was just a proposal for the events that they would take a part in organising or they'd be participating in some way with, hence why no schedule for Wales, Scotland, France, etc, etc.

Still NZ v Tonga in NZ would be a great success?!
 
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I hope you are speaking for Australia there jim?

In general Pom, I think putting the best 8 teams in a tournament again 2 years after and before each world cup has potential to take away from the legacy of the World Cup, especially as the World Cup concept is still in the re/building stage. I guess it wasn't too different when we had 4 nations in that they were besically just recreating the semi finals. Not against the idea,it would be great to guarentee more games for "tier 2" nations, just saying it is certainly worth exploring options.

What the best alternative is I'm not so sure, maybe something like @adamkungl suggested, more of a league style with 6 nations playing each other twice (10 games) or 8 nations playing each other once or twice (7/14 games) over 2 years. No final,top of the table wins. Scheduling wouldn't be the easiest and it may get confusing it some of the nations meet more than once as to which game counts for point and which is a tour/warm up etc. Definitely not impossible though.
 

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To be fair I think that is literally what they are trying to do with this proposal, it's a sloppy attempt but still I think that is what they are attempting...

The problem with playing games in Tonga aren't just commercial ones, there biggest stadium (and the only one that we'd really recognise as a stadium) is Teufaiva Sport Stadium, it's a multipurpose stadium with 10 thousand seats and basically none of the facilities necessary to host a game, even if we ignore that it'd be a chore to get it in a position where it could broadcast games to a standard that the audience in Aus, Eng, and NZ would expect, for the players it'd be like going back to when they were playing under 6s with the lack of facilities for them as well. It's also in a state of disrepair after it was damaged in a cyclone earlier this year (and it wasn't in very good condition beforehand either).

So yeah I can understand why playing games in Tonga is an issue, it's a similar situation in Fiji and Samoa though you could pull it off in Samoa and Fiji from time to time, but for PNG there's no excuse games should be played there regularly.
Lobbying the Aus and NZ governments for support to upgrade Teufaiva, Apia Park, and ANZ (Fiji) would be a good start for getting those nations in a position where they could host games regularly, it'd only cost a few million each to get them to a place where it's workable as well, and both governments waste international aid on much more frivolous things anyway.

On NZ, the only reason that more games aren't played in NZ is cause the NZRL don't organise them, they don't even try to organise internationals independent of either the NRL or RFL and haven't for a long time.
And again to be fair I don't think that the NRL's proposed schedule was intended to be a comprehensive international calendar, I think it was just a proposal for the events that they would take a part in organising or they'd be participating in some way with, hence why no schedule for Wales, Scotland, France, etc, etc.

If we can play nrl games in 7k capacity local parks we can make it work in tonga!
 
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2018

  • October 6: PM’s XIII v PNG (Port Moresby)
  • October 14: Australia v NZ (Auckland)
  • October 27: England v NZ (Hull)
  • November 3: England v NZ (Liverpool)
  • November 11: England v NZ (Leeds)
2019 mid-season

  • PNG v Cook Islands (TBC)
    Oceania Cup Round 1
  • NZ v Fiji (Parramatta)
  • Samoa v Tonga (Parramatta)
2019 end of season

  • PM XIII v PNG (Port Moresby)
  • International Nines (Parramatta)
  • Australia v NZ (Australia)
  • Great Britain v Australia – 3 Tests (UK)
    Oceania Cup Round 2
  • Fiji v Tonga (NZ)
  • NZ v Samoa (NZ)
    Oceania Cup Round 3
  • NZ v Tonga (NZ)
  • Fiji v Samoa (NZ)
2020 mid-season

Southern Hemisphere Four Nations Round 1

  • NZ v Tonga (Auckland)
    Northern Hemisphere Four Nations Round 1
  • England v France (UK)
    Pacific Test double-header
  • Fiji v Samoa (Campbelltown)
  • PNG v Cook Islands (Campbelltown)
2020 end-of-season

  • PM XIII v Fiji (Suva)
    Southern Hemisphere 4 Nations Round 1
  • Australia v Samoa (Townsville)
    Southern Hemisphere 4 Nations Round 2
  • Australia v Tonga (Parramatta)
  • NZ v Samoa (Parramatta)
    Southern Hemisphere 4 Nations Round 3
  • Australia v NZ (NZ)
  • Tonga v Samoa (NZ)
    Northern Hemisphere 4 Nations Round 1
  • PNG v Fiji (Port Moresby)
    Northern Hemisphere 4 Nations Round 2
  • England v PNG (UK)
  • France v Fiji (UK)
    Northern Hemisphere 4 Nations Round 3
  • England v Fiji (UK)
  • France v PNG (UK)
2021 mid-season

  • NZ v England (Auckland)
    Pacific Test
  • Samoa v Tonga (Australia)
  • PNG v Fiji (Australia)
2021 end-of-season

  • PM XIII v PNG (Port Moresby)
  • Australia v NZ (Australia)
  • World Cup (UK)
2022 mid-season

Oceania Cup Round 1

  • PNG v Samoa (Campbelltown)
  • Fiji v Tonga (Campbelltown)
2022 end-of-season

 

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If we can play nrl games in 7k capacity local parks we can make it work in tonga!

The capacity isn't the problem the facilities (or lack there of) and the state of the joint are!

I assure you the 7k local parks are in a better state and are more capable of hosting games than Teufaiva Sport Stadium...
 

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France hardly gets a mention... and Wales Scotland and Ireland are off the grid.

Apart from the fact they've all got a European Cup & RLWCQ over the next two years..

Don't concern yourself with the European teams & the RLEF...worry about the NRL/ARLC not helping the APRLC & Pacific teams more...
 
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Isee the NRL working to address players who most influence the NRL competition beyond Australuan players

NZ Tonga Samoa and Fiji

Are the main group in the category

Thats the reason ehy PNG is not being mentioned

And of course a alternative to the Denver Test

The problem with the US market is the dominance of the NFL from Sep to Jan
 

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The capacity isn't the problem the facilities (or lack there of) and the state of the joint are!

I assure you the 7k local parks are in a better state and are more capable of hosting games than Teufaiva Sport Stadium...

It’s being upgraded for the 2019pacific games, it is more than adequate for hosting a Tonga RL game.
https://www.nudsp.to/sport.php

Given what we saw in RLWC every png game should be in png, nz v Tonga should be in nz everytime and Tonga v Samoa or Fiji played in tonga. I get it’s the dumb nrl broadcasting agreement means these internationals have to be played in Sydney but it’s sht for actually growing the profile of int rl in the countries playing.
 

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