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NRL to buy share of Super League

The Great Dane

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If the rumours are true what the NRL is trying to do is obvious; take ownership of all the broadcast rights so they can sell them as bundle deals and effectively take control of international RL in the process.

They're probably also concerned about the impacts the Super League collapsing would have on them, which is a genuine concern ATM. It's not unlikely that RL could drop out of professionalism in the Northern Hemisphere within the next decade or so if broadcast value keeps dropping and costs keep rising at the rate they are. At the very least you will see multiple clubs fold if there isn't radical change soon, and don't say that can't happen because it currently is happening in Premiership Rugby and the URC ATM.

The NRL investing in a league over there could have multiple benefits both for English RL and international RL, namely by giving English RL an injection of capital and allowing them to piggyback off the NRL's broadcast to increase exposure and value. It would also make professional international RL a benevolent dictatorship, and give the NRL the power to basically control the international calendar, which would almost certainly see a regular international calendar created.

The reasons why they want to reduce the amount of clubs and can't just takeover the Super League are clear as well-

• The Super League is still run by a one club one vote system, which means that the real governance and power over there is held by the clubs. Simply buying the SL wouldn't give the NRL the power make real change unless the clubs agreed to give up that power (which the less stable clubs won't because that'd be the turkeys voting for Christmas). BTW, that system is probably the biggest thing holding the sport back over there.

• Frankly, not all of the 12 teams in the Super League (and SL adjacent Championship clubs) are commercially valuable. In other words they're net costs that add little or no value to the league's broadcast, sponsorship, etc, values, and offer little potential for future growth.

• Taking control of a European league and giving them necessary seed funding would be expensive and risky. Rationalising the comp down to the best prospects reduces that risk for the NRL, and also leaves room for growth. There's no reason why the NRL couldn't expand if it was working, and I imagine that they'd look to hit 14 as quickly as possible.

• Reducing the number of clubs in the top professional league condenses the top talent between fewer teams, leading to a better on field product and tighter competition.

It seems that the NRL isn't proposing killing any teams either. Rather they're simply not inviting them all to join a new league, and that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. The clubs that miss out will be able to continue in a lower tier league, which isn't the death sentence over there that it is here, and there's no reason why that league (whether it be SL or some other format) couldn't continue to be broadcast and well supported.

The NRL is better off today because of the rationalisation it's gone through in the past, and if done right cutting away the chaff in Europe and focusing on growth would be a good thing for RL in England in the long term as well.

If it was me I'd prefer not get involved in the English league, but things are much more desperate over there than people here seem to realise. I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but I'd much rather the NRL take the risk and waste millions of dollars in an attempt to save the poms from themselves than sit back and watch as ego and self interest slowly strangles the sport to death over there. If "NRL Europe" is the best, or rather most feasible, way to go about that, then I guess that just is what it is.
 
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Investment good. Name change not good.

So… killing Salford for a new Manchester club.
 

Perth Red

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So… killing Salford for a new Manchester club.
Salford is a Manchester club, in the same way Cronulla is a Sydney club. Its closer to Manchester city centre than Old Trafford is. Koucash wanted to rebrand before to Manchester and it got pushed back on.

 

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Salford is a Manchester club, in the same way Cronulla is a Sydney club. Its closer to Manchester city centre than Old Trafford is. Koucash wanted to rebrand before to Manchester and it got pushed back on.

Yes, I’m just saying if they start a Manchester Roosters club is killing Salford.
Which is possibly the only other option to continuing Salford as a Championship club.
 

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Yes, I’m just saying if they start a Manchester Roosters club is killing Salford.
Which is possibly the only other option to continuing Salford as a Championship club.
Playing where? There's only Bury, Stockport or Oldham with suitable stadiums and they are all further out than Salford is.
 

Jonty

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So… killing Salford for a new Manchester club.
It’s one thing to kill Salford but it would be suicide to rebrand as a Manchester club whilst remaining and playing out of the Salford community stadium.
 

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Salford is teetering on the brink, and have been for a long time now.

If Uncle Nick is serious then the choice is simple; accept a rebrand or watch your club tumble out of professionalism, and likely fold, before your very eyes.

The hypocrisy is rife as well. None of these people blink twice when EPL and other European football clubs buy teams around the world and rebrand them, but apparently it's a big deal when the shoe is on the other foot.

The Roosters would being giving Salford a chance just like Man City gave Heart a chance. If they've got to burn a portion of the fanbase to do it then so be it, that's a better outcome than the club dying.
 

Jonty

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Salford is teetering on the brink, and have been for a long time now.

If Uncle Nick is serious then the choice is simple; accept a rebrand or watch your club tumble out of professionalism, and likely fold, before your very eyes.

The hypocrisy is rife as well. None of these people blink twice when EPL and other European football clubs buy teams around the world and rebrand them, but apparently it's a big deal when the shoe is on the other foot.

The Roosters would being giving Salford a chance just like Man City gave Heart a chance. If they've got to burn a portion of the fanbase to do it then so be it, that's a better outcome than the club dying.
You simply can’t rebrand Salford as Manchester whilst remaining in Salford. It just wouldn’t work.

the only choices are rebranding and relocating Salford into a Manchester stadium or keeping the Salford name and club in Salford with significant investment.
 

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I support rebranding Salford to Manchester, and potentially relocating the team to Man City's Academy Stadium, but would prefer a nickname that differentiates the team from the Sydney Roosters. Manchester Tricolours would be a cool name; with a red, white, light blue striped Bee as its logo. Jersey could be modelled on the Sydney Roosters 2025 Anzac jersey, predominately light (Man City) blue.
 

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I support rebranding Salford to Manchester, and potentially relocating the team to Man City's Academy Stadium, but would prefer a nickname that differentiates the team from the Sydney Roosters. Manchester Tricolours would be a cool name; with a red, white, light blue striped Bee as its logo. Jersey could be modelled on the Sydney Roosters 2025 Anzac jersey, predominately light (Man City) blue.
Its only got 5000 seats and a capacity of 7000!
So you think they should be called Manchester, and play in colours that alienates half the city?
 

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You simply can’t rebrand Salford as Manchester whilst remaining in Salford. It just wouldn’t work.

the only choices are rebranding and relocating Salford into a Manchester stadium or keeping the Salford name and club in Salford with significant investment.
Id be interested to know how Leigh and Wakey made a profit last year whilst St's lost $5mill!
At my club it was always said that if we could avg 9k+ crowds we'd be at least break even. Obviously Wakey and Leigh have managed to be viable on smaller crowds than that.
 

The Great Dane

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You simply can’t rebrand Salford as Manchester whilst remaining in Salford. It just wouldn’t work.

the only choices are rebranding and relocating Salford into a Manchester stadium or keeping the Salford name and club in Salford with significant investment.
Salford are odds on to go into administration later this year, and 50/50 of folding if they can't find somebody to drop a decent chunk of change into them.

On top of that their current owners are chancers who are only interested in trying to secure their land, who never should have been allowed to buy the club in the first place. They're in it to profit, so there won't be any sweetheart deals to save the club.

So considering that can we please be a bit practical about their situation.

They'd be mad to turn uncle Nick down when their options are either go into administration and potentially (likely) fold, or accept a rebrand as part of a new ownership deal with one of the most successful RL clubs and owners in the world.
 
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The Great Dane

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Id be interested to know how Leigh and Wakey made a profit last year whilst St's lost $5mill!
At my club it was always said that if we could avg 9k+ crowds we'd be at least break even. Obviously Wakey and Leigh have managed to be viable on smaller crowds than that.
They didn't really make a profit. Beaumont and Ellis have just left more money in the club's bank account than the other owners.

Every Super League club has effectively been trading while insolvent for years now, and most of the owners who are public are quite open about that fact. The only thing keeping them alive are their owners tipping ever increasing amounts of their own money into the clubs, and their costs are continuing to rise annually.

The current situation isn't sustainable and sooner or later something is gonna give. They need radical change yesterday or things are going to get bad, whether that change is the NRL coming in or some other plan doesn't really matter, but they have to cut costs and increase revenue streams or clubs are going to start falling over and there's a genuine chance of dropping out of professionalism.

If Sky slashes the next TV deal, which is likely as things stand, then they're screwed.
 
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