NRL2 Second Division

[Pippen94]

Again what’s the point? There is really nothing to be gained from this conference idea.

Get to 20 teams and play each other once. If you want to make it 20 rounds make the last round based on the results of the previous 19 rounds.

You know Sydney teams have bigger advantage in that system?!

Two extra grand finals. Traveling grand final. Sydney team & team from other big market in grand final. Makes lots if business sense. Tradition of Sydney grand final..

 

[Colk]

You know Sydney teams have bigger advantage in that system?!

Two extra grand finals. Traveling grand final. Sydney team & team from other big market in grand final. Makes lots if business sense. Tradition of Sydney grand final..

I know. It is exactly why the idea is suggested by some Sydney journalists like Buzz Rothfield: insularity.

It is an idea to guarantee a type of grand final. It is crap.

The two best teams should make the grand final. End of. If that means another Melbourne vs Brisbane or Brisbane vs Cowboys grand final then so be it. If it means an all Sydney grand final then so be it.

 

[MugaB]

Everybody assuming teams would play everybody in conference twice. That doesn't happen in NFL. Just play 3 divisional rivals twice. Can rotate fixtures to even out process. Teams like Townsville & Perth etc will deal with this anyway. Nothing is truly fair

Yes nothing is truly fair, but it doesn't have to be ridiculously unfair... like i said "as fair as possible"
The only reason you'd have conferences is to work out the draw, not to create seperate ladders and extra GFs, and yes you would play within your own conference twice, makes for 16 matches, then 9 games verse the opposite conference... with 18 teams thats 25 rounds, basically thats whats there at the moment... finals would still be top 8, which would be a lot better than the "half the comp" that gets in now..

 

[TheGrifter]

How would a 20-22 team competition incorporate a play-off system?

top 8? Top 12?

a lot of teams could be playing for nothing and at a very early stage of the competition which could affect attendances.

I would say top 8 until you got to 20+ teams, then you could look at top 10

 

[Perth Red]

In an ideal world 20 clubs.
nrl nines pre season plus all stars and trial matches in country areas
19 games plus 2 magic rounds (one in Oz, one in nz). play each other once. Three stand alone rep weekends. 24 week regular season.
8 team play off. get a week off before finals round 1 (maybe time it that nrlw and interstate gf to have play that gap weekend for content) teams replenishEd ready for the big ones.

 

[siv]

A team outside of Sydney would have to travel between 12-13 times

You do realise that

Nth Qld, Melbourne, Warriors, Perth would travel 12 times in any model

Broncos, Titans, Redcliffe would travel 10 times in any model

 

[siv]

I would have a Top 8 in 18 teams

But not conference based

 

[Colk]

You do realise that

Nth Qld, Melbourne, Warriors, Perth would travel 12 times in any model

Broncos, Titans, Redcliffe would travel 10 times in any model

I do realise that. The biggest issue is that if you split the conferences like that Sydney teams are only travelling out of Sydney a maximum five teams.

That would be an absolute joke

 

[westerntiger]

Any conference system should have an even number of Sydney teams in both conference. A Sydney conference and an 'interstate' conference would rob the league of any validity.

 

[siv]

I do realise that. The biggest issue is that if you split the conferences like that Sydney teams are only travelling out of Sydney a maximum five teams.

That would be an absolute joke

In this model Sydney teams travel 5 times

Now in a 50-50 model

Sydney teams travel 7 times

Not much different

 

[xe_kilroy]

If youre doing a system purely for a way to create a schedule, then you can have divisions rather than conferences. A division can be anything from 4 teams.

Eg, in a 20 team league, say four divisions of five teams. They play 8 games H&A against teams in their own division, and then a single game against the other 16 teams. Total 24 games. Each year they rotate H&A against the non-division games.

You "could" make it the division winners from each make the finals (4) plus next best four teams record wise enter finals. Or just best eight teams.

Natural rivalries and/or trying to regionalize each division would be the usual method for devising divisions. But you could also split up each division so there's a mix of regions.

Eg, each division could be 3 nsw, 1 qld, 1 "non". As more qld and non teams enter league, it could then be each division is 2 nsw, 2 qld, 1 non.

Or you create divisions of four/five purely on close proximity and/or traditional rivalries.

 

[Colk]

In this model Sydney teams travel 5 times

Now in a 50-50 model

Sydney teams travel 7 times

Not much different

Why make it easier for Sydney teams though?

 

[siv]

Why make it easier for Sydney teams though?

Marketing and $

 

[Colk]

Marketing and $

What marketing and $? It is not like crowds are miles better in Sydney than anywhere else - actually it is often the inverse. Corporate dollars spread across nine clubs as well.

Let’s call this for what it is: ensuring a Sydney team making a grand final

 

[siv]

What marketing and $? It is not like crowds are miles better in Sydney than anywhere else - actually it is often the inverse. Corporate dollars spread across nine clubs as well.

Let’s call this for what it is: ensuring a Sydney team making a grand final

Why I am advocating a Top 8

Not a conference style 2 x Top 4

 

[Colk]

Why I am advocating a Top 8

Not a conference style 2 x Top 4

Oh ok so you are suggesting teams play in two conferences but a top 8 is arranged as per normal?

 

[siv]

Oh ok so you are suggesting teams play in two conferences but a top 8 is arranged as per normal?

Correct

 

[MugaB]

Oh ok so you are suggesting teams play in two conferences but a top 8 is arranged as per normal?

Again conferences are just to set up the draw, to decide who plays who, and how many times. not to decide finals... i agree with siv a top 8 regardless of conference, the best teams should play finals, not the best dependant on conference

 

[Perth Red]

It’s not about those teams travelling less, though for perth playing in sydney more than across qlnd and in nz would help travel impact, but about Sydney teams travelling more so there’s some fairness about it.

You do realise that

Nth Qld, Melbourne, Warriors, Perth would travel 12 times in any model

Broncos, Titans, Redcliffe would travel 10 times in any mod

 

[jim_57]

Conferences are unnecessary anyway. Clubs already play their main rivals twice but some others just once. Just keep it as a 18/20/22/24 team comp with one ladder and creatively “double up” the big match ups like we already do.

No need to overcomplicate it, it’s not like it’s currently a full home & away completely “fair” system.