NSW Team for Origin 2

[mickdo]

All the people saying dont pick hindmarsh at all if you are only going to play him on the bench why don't you ask nathan if he only wants to be picked if he is in the run on side. I have a feeling he might be happy with the bench spot.

Of course he'd be happy with it, but that's not the point

 

[Eels Dude]

All the people saying dont pick hindmarsh at all if you are only going to play him on the bench why don't you ask nathan if he only wants to be picked if he is in the run on side. I have a feeling he might be happy with the bench spot.

Of course he would be. I'm stoked for him personally. But those of us who think he should be starting or not be there are saying it from A NSW perspective, not an Eels perspective. As a Blues fan I agree with those who say he should either be starting or not be there as it's a wasted bench spot.

 

[oldmancraigy]

All the people saying dont pick hindmarsh at all if you are only going to play him on the bench why don't you ask nathan if he only wants to be picked if he is in the run on side. I have a feeling he might be happy with the bench spot.

No offense, but I'm fairly certain Jamal Idris was pretty happy with a bench spot. Doesn't mean it was a sensible idea to pick a center on the bench...

And pretty well anyone would be happy with a bench spot! I'm just saying that the kind of player that Hindmarsh is, he should either start and go 80 (yes - that's my opinion) or not get selected at all.

To pick him on the bench (as a backup prop from the sounds of things??) is a ridiculous idea. And I criticise Lozza because he's the one who is always coming out and talking about these 'brilliant' ideas.

Love to see Daley/ Fulton & co as first grade coaches. They'd constantly be experimenting "let's see how Burt goes at hooker this week - and we'll put Grothe Jr in the second row, that'd be fun"
Oh wait? Are those guys signed up here as Eels fans???

 

[SDM]

No offense, but I'm fairly certain Jamal Idris was pretty happy with a bench spot. Doesn't mean it was a sensible idea to pick a center on the bench...

And pretty well anyone would be happy with a bench spot! I'm just saying that the kind of player that Hindmarsh is, he should either start and go 80 (yes - that's my opinion) or not get selected at all.

To pick him on the bench (as a backup prop from the sounds of things??) is a ridiculous idea. And I criticise Lozza because he's the one who is always coming out and talking about these 'brilliant' ideas.

Love to see Daley/ Fulton & co as first grade coaches. They'd constantly be experimenting "let's see how Burt goes at hooker this week - and we'll put Grothe Jr in the second row, that'd be fun"
Oh wait? Are those guys signed up here as Eels fans???

:lol::lol:

 

[Springs]

Ha. Considering Grothe came out and specifically said he never wants to play in the forwards, they would put him no. 12 the very next week.

But anyway let's all hope Bellamy swaps Hindmarsh for Waterhouse in the next week.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think Bellamy would rather Hindmarsh starting than on the bench - his comments about 'getting the balance right on the interchange bench' were significant.

Edit: Just saw the side. I think Hindy's named as a front-rower which is very odd. He kind of plays front-row for Parra, especially in defence, but in attack he's more of a support player/alternate go-forward option.

He's not the kind of bloke you send into the teeth of the defence on the first tackle. Maybe the Blues are intending to shift the ball around all game, so they only need three front-rowers (53 minutes each). But Creagh and Gallen both play almost 80 minutes per game for their clubs. Why would the Blues need 2 back-rowers on their bench and only 1 front-rower?

Maybe 4 pure front-rowers is just too many for only two spots on the field? Origin quality props should be playing more than 40 minutes each, which is what they'd get with a 4 man rotation.

 

[Eels Dude]

I think Bellamy would rather Hindmarsh starting than on the bench - his comments about 'getting the balance right on the interchange bench' were significant.

A utility and 3 backrowers. Sad thing is they can't make that bench any stronger due to the side they've picked.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A utility and 3 backrowers. Sad thing is they can't make that bench any stronger due to the side they've picked.

Learoyd-Lahrs might play second row for Canberra but he's huge and tough (and fast). He's a front-rower in everything but name.

 

[Eels Dude]

Learoyd-Lahrs might play second row for Canberra but he's huge and tough (and fast). He's a front-rower in everything but name.

He can play prop sure, but he's a better player running out wide. Just think it's pretty stupid not to select even ONE specialist prop on the interchange bench. Given Brett White is more marshmallow then he is front rower we're practically going into game 2 with just one prop in the 17.

 

[caylo]

I would have prefered a backrow of TTL, Hindy and Gallen with Waterhouse, LOD and a Prop off the bench.
With the current side the only positive with them not picking any specialist front rower off the bench is that they have Gallen, Waterhouse, LOD and TTL which regularly make good meters for their club.

 

[Daneel]

Of course he'd be happy with it, but that's not the point

What is the point then? That a player you think is good enough to be in the run on side isn't good enough to be on the bench. That makes no sense at all. If they pick him in the run on side he isn't going to play for 80 minutes anyway. So does that mean if they are going to pick him in the first 13 and not play him for 80 minutes he shouldn't be picked, please. :roll:

 

[Daneel]

No offense, but I'm fairly certain Jamal Idris was pretty happy with a bench spot. Doesn't mean it was a sensible idea to pick a center on the bench...

And pretty well anyone would be happy with a bench spot! I'm just saying that the kind of player that Hindmarsh is, he should either start and go 80 (yes - that's my opinion) or not get selected at all.

To pick him on the bench (as a backup prop from the sounds of things??) is a ridiculous idea. And I criticise Lozza because he's the one who is always coming out and talking about these 'brilliant' ideas.

Love to see Daley/ Fulton & co as first grade coaches. They'd constantly be experimenting "let's see how Burt goes at hooker this week - and we'll put Grothe Jr in the second row, that'd be fun"
Oh wait? Are those guys signed up here as Eels fans???

Are you a bulldogs fan or an eels fan? Who gives a f*ck wether idris was happy or not, not to mention comparing a centre being picked on the bench to a second rower is just a little ridiculous. Hindmarsh is the life force of this club and people don't want him to play if he is picked on the bench, thats bullsh*t.
Are the team dynamics of nsw off kilter? Maybe, but not because hindmarsh is on the bench.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What is the point then? That a player you think is good enough to be in the run on side isn't good enough to be on the bench. That makes no sense at all. If they pick him in the run on side he isn't going to play for 80 minutes anyway. So does that mean if they are going to pick him in the first 13 and not play him for 80 minutes he shouldn't be picked, please. :roll:

The idea of somebody being more suitable as a starter than coming off the bench is related to the idea that the nature of the game is different at different stages of the match. The opening 20 minutes is considered to be the most confrontational and least expansive due to the freshness of everybody on the field, and the likelihood of the score being tied, or at least very close.

Therefore some players have the highest relative effectiveness during this period, while others aren't at their most effective until later in the game. The latter type of player is best suited to coming off the bench.

All this means less in Origin though, because a feature of Origin games is that the intensity is maintained for much longer than in club games. This also why some of the smaller, more skillful players are rarely effective in Origin football, and hence why they don't get picked.

 

[Craig Johnston]

idris off the bench was always on the premise that hayne would move to fullback and kidley to hooker leaving a spot in the backline.

with kidley on the bench to start, this is not possible. comparing idris to hindy off the bench is apples and oranges

 

[Poupou Escobar]

idris off the bench was always on the premise that hayne would move to fullback and kidley to hooker leaving a spot in the backline.

Yep.

And those kinds of tactics - where the shape of the team is changed - are best left in club footy. They're more of a disruption in Origin.

 

[Ike E Bear]

the only positive with them not picking any specialist front rower off the bench is that they have Gallen, Waterhouse, LOD and TTL which regularly make good meters for their club.

But not primarily up the middle.

At least one more specialist prop is needed. Heaven help us if either Weyman or White get injured (I can't believe I'm placing so much importance on White that him getting injured would be considered a huge problem) ... otherwise there will probably be a period where Hindy and O'Donnell are NSW's frontrowers.

 

[Eels Dude]

But not primarily up the middle.

At least one more specialist prop is needed. Heaven help us if either Weyman or White get injured (I can't believe I'm placing so much importance on White that him getting injured would be considered a huge problem) ... otherwise there will probably be a period where Hindy and O'Donnell are NSW's frontrowers.

What's worrying is that both White and Weyman are going to come off after about 20 minutes, so we're going to have 2 backrowers playing prop for the back end of the first half.

 

[Springs]

What's worrying is that both White and Weyman are going to come off after about 20 minutes, so we're going to have 2 backrowers playing prop for the back end of the first half.

No we will have one prop, Leoroyd-Lahrs, and a backrower, probably Gallen.

 

[Craig Johnston]

hindmarsh LO'D and TLL are all renowned middle third runners and defenders. virtual props.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

hindmarsh LO'D and TLL are all renowned middle third runners and defenders. virtual props.

I could've sworn Learoyd-Lahrs played on the left for Canberra.

Though I guess he can and has in the past played in the middle. He's as much a front-rower as a back-rower.

Hindy defends in the middle like a prop but he isn't used the same way in attack. He makes far less first tackle runs (so he can last the 80 minutes I suppose).