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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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El Diablo

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http://www.skynews.com.au/sport/article.aspx?id=866939

Peptide link to Mannah's cancer refuted
Updated: 13:51, Friday April 26, 2013

Cancer Council Australia has issued a statement contesting the possibility of a 'causal link' between peptide use and John Mannah's cancer relapse reported by an independent review.

The Cancer Council statement reads, 'Based on an assessment of the evidence available, Cancer Council Australia says there isn't any link between HGH promoting peptides and a relapse or onset of lymphoma.'
 

Zigwaa

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Originally Posted by Twizzle
cover up what ?

Originally Posted by Michaelspeechley
That Tim Mannah was given peptides while in remission for cancer. That seems to be the gist of the feelings on here. ie. How dare the telegraph ask such a question. Well I assure you the Mannahs would have asked the question as soon as it broke.

To think the Mannahs would be upset that questions are being asked is ridiculous.


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Originally Posted by Twizzle
nothing has been proven

its just rumours

Originally Posted by Michaelspeechley
It has to be investigated and be brought out into the open. People on here have mocked the "life and death" claims. Well here is a life and death claim.

So the Telecrap is doing the Mannah family a favour putting his picture on the front page and speculating "if" he took the peptides it "could" be linked to his death?

Doesn't seem valid enough argument for an article to be published to me.
 
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gUt

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I wonder if the anger will get through to the sharks at the Telecrap this time.
 

magpie4ever

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The real issue here is who would give peptides or HGH to a cancer survivor without been an assessed part of their cancer treatment. I'm sure if proven it could lead to a serious legal case (medical negligence).

The DT and their reporters are bottom feeders; but, the Cronulla staff who administered their sports science program should face the full consequences of sporting bans and possible civil and criminal legal action.

The NRL must now get on the front foot and list the supplements that are allowable to be given to players - no more pushing the envelope by individual clubs of what is ok and what is banned. Take the chemists out of the equation. If a club then wants to go outside of the supplement list - they face the consquences of players being banned and the club being booted.
 

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The entire report needs to be made public.
No more bits and pieces.
No more speculation.
Get it out in the public eye.
NOW.

Don't give me this "it's private and confidential" or "protected by priviledge" bullshit. If that was the case, the Telecrap wouldn't have any details. If parts can be leaked, the whole bloody thing can be. If it's illegal to reveal what is contained in the report, then when can we expect to see the 3 "journos" locked up?

Come on ASADA, out with the evidence.
 

Canard

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Its ASADA's responsibility to release a report commissioned by and written for the Sharks???
 

ek999

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The entire report needs to be made public.
No more bits and pieces.
No more speculation.
Get it out in the public eye.
NOW.

Don't give me this "it's private and confidential" or "protected by priviledge" bullshit. If that was the case, the Telecrap wouldn't have any details. If parts can be leaked, the whole bloody thing can be. If it's illegal to reveal what is contained in the report, then when can we expect to see the 3 "journos" locked up?

Come on ASADA, out with the evidence.

It isn't ASADA's report
 

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To clarify the sharks commissioned an ex asada employee to write the report and do the investigation

That the mannah episode was not checked with either his doctors family or the cancer council one can reasonably conclude the Hannah issue was framed for the most alarming, and by extension supportive of asada, way possible without any caveats offered that put the tenuous link and implied conclusion of mannahs guilt into any perspective or context
 
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Stinkler

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Its ASADA's responsibility to release a report commissioned by and written for the Sharks???

Maybe not ASADA's responsibility, however if the laws and regulations surrounding this "investigation" prevent the report from being available to the public, then why do we know parts of it?

Should be all or none. Someone needs to make it happen, or lock up the journos for breaking the law.
 

magpie4ever

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You pricks on here are kidding - the real issue here (if true) is who gave a cancer survivor a treatment that was not part of authorised treatment by cancer specialists/experts?

You are still blaming the sheriff who rides into town after the bank is robbed, not the outlaws. FFS

Cronulla hired the ex-ASADA official of their own accord.
 

ek999

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We have seen the images of the grim-faced politicians and sports officials announcing the Australian Crime Commission investigation into the distribution and use of performance enhancing substances in Australian sport, and the growing anti-ageing and vanity industries. Mostly, they have been used to ridicule and condemn. To claim the problem was not as substantial as we had been warned, or to decry ASADA's supposedly bungled and snail-paced investigation. Yet, for those willing to wait for the evidence to emerge, the dour expressions suddenly seem apt, and the concerns that prompted them grave.
Adding to a steadily accumulating body of evidence, Fairfax Media and the ABC's Four Corners reported the allegations of Shane Charter, a convicted drug trafficker who gave an insight into both the importation, and the use, of performance enhancing drugs. Inevitably, the worth of Charter's evidence was questioned. Although perhaps not by those investigators who adhere to the adage "It takes a thief to catch a thief".
Now, most disturbingly, News Ltd quotes an independent report commissioned by Cronulla. One which raises the possibility of a "causal link" between the use of performance enhancing substances, Jon Mannah, and the Hodgkin's lymphoma that killed him. The report does not say that Mannah took peptides, but was at the Sharks when the supplements program was implemented.
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These media reports are at the extreme ends of the initial ASC investigation and the subsequent ASADA probe.
Charter's allegations emphasise the criminal links to those importing and distributing both legal and illegal substances. A burgeoning trade that prompted the initial interest of the ASC which, naturally, is more interested in following the trail to big-time importers than identifying which prop or half-back flanker was at the end of the chain.
The reported link between Mannah's possible use of peptides that could promote the growth of cells, and the acceleration of his cancer, represents the most grave and unconscionable consequence of administering untested, unauthorised and potentially harmful substances to athletes. The potential outcome often ignored when the use of performance enhancing substances is considered only through the win-loss prism of professional sport. One that, to give the phrase the power denied by those inconvenienced by the ASADA investigation, would indeed make these the "blackest day(s) in Australian sport".
Of course, we should hasten slowly. We should demonstrate the patience lacking in those who continue to ridicule both the ASADA investigation, and the process, because it has cast a cloud over their codes. Never mind that this cloud was created by those in the codes whose grand ambitions and failed protocols - at the very least - came at the expense of player welfare.
The same verbose media voices pilloried ASADA for cancelling interviews with Cronulla players last week, citing it as another example of the agencies incompetence. Yet, the News Ltd. report suggests this was done, sensibly, to digest the disturbing findings of the Sharks' report.
New Ltd. quotes Cronulla's internal report. That is was compiled by former ASADA deputy chairwoman Tricia Kavanagh will, no doubt, prompt claims it is intended to back ASADA's agenda. But the reference to Mannah is chilling.
"A brief review of available published medical literature suggests an identified causal link between the use of substances such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and the acceleration of the condition of disease Hodgkin's lymphoma. Without knowing anything further about Mannah's exact medical history and without seeking expert opinion from an appropriately qualified oncologist it is difficult to take this issue further. The issue of Mannah has the potential to be as serious as matters could get."
Reflexively, fans egged on by self-interested denialists howl at the moon. The empowerment of social media provides a forum for those who do not understand the process of investigation undertaken by ASADA, WADA and others, or the information seen by the media. Or who are simply unwilling to open their eyes.
Meanwhile, on Anzac Day, Essendon played wonderfully before 93,000 people at the MCG to beat Collingwood. The same day, it had been reported the Bombers had confirmed six players had been administered a substance not cleared for human use. One, thus, banned under the WADA drug code.
The manner in which Essendon performed under such intense scrutiny is praiseworthy. Less so the officials who sought to push the boundaries of performance without enforcing the necessary checks and balances required to implement their program.
In football terms, the consequences could be grim at any club found to have let their players down. Suspensions, heavy fines, and perhaps loss of premiership points. But, if it is proven that the race to improve football performance has imperiled human life, then real-world justice will be imposed.
 

gronkathon

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Problem is while ever you are talking about a deceased person you don't run it when all you have are maybe's and you certainly do not approach their family on it.

I mean we get the pity stories about a Nine worker who was killed in Thailand. Maybe her parents should be fronted and asked about how they feel about her and her partner not wearing helmets which contributed to her death
 

Stinkler

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You pricks on here are kidding - the real issue here (if true) is who gave a cancer survivor a treatment that was not part of authorised treatment by cancer specialists/experts?

You are still blaming the sheriff who rides into town after the bank is robbed, not the outlaws. FFS

Cronulla hired the ex-ASADA official of their own accord.

Nah mate, the thing is, no one knows if the bank was robbed yet.
But we already have 31 suspects.
 

ek999

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I don't mind approaching the family if it is done the right way. It lets them know that it is going to be a story so the first time they know of it is when they see it on the front page of the paper and it gives them a chance to comment if they wish. From all reports though it doesn't sound like they did it right though
 
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