Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

[The Elephant In The room]

read what he said after that

That they were going to handle it professionally????

 

[El Diablo]

trust me they'll get off

 

[Slammin_Saint89]

As expected, the Essendon internal report is indeed a fluffy piece of PR spin.

Are you talking about the edited version that essendon are releasing? What a rort that is.

 

[El Diablo]

As expected, the Essendon internal report is indeed a fluffy piece of PR spin.

they don't even think anything banned was taken despite a lot of evidence there was

 

[Cerne Abbas Giant]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/time-for-asada-to-come-clean-20130504-2izuh.html

I think Kate Lundy and the Labor Party have shot themselves in the foot with the scare campaign against athletes using ASADA and ACC as tools in the process. I can understand the hysteria surrounding the downfall of Lance Armstrong and the urge to emulate claiming a big scalp, but they've gone about it the wrong way. Lance Armstrong was caught because his peers were willing to testify against him, initiated after "DISCREET" investigations by lawyers representing insurance companies.

It would have been better if ASADA and the ACC have kept their cards close to their chest and then if evidence or an alibi is found then wammo, they could have held a spectacular press conference announcing the coup. Imagine the drugs squad holding a press conference before they caught the traffickers?

Players don't need a scare campaign.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

trust me they'll get off

Based on what? You have no f**king idea, just as I have no idea, not does anyone else on these forums.

If you are going to have an opinion though, at least have an informed one rather than just banging on with the same old conspiracy theories.

 

[El Diablo]

Based on what? You have no f**king idea, just as I have no idea, not does anyone else on these forums.

If you are going to have an opinion though, at least have an informed one rather than just banging on with the same old conspiracy theories.

well even they think they'll get off despite Dank admitting he gave them a banned drug

the coach and chairman even attended a seminar on it http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...-about-peptide-investment-20130211-2e8yd.html

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/bombers-confident-they-are-clean-233734

Various media reports in recent weeks have alleged that under the supervision of controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank, Essendon players were given the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, which has been confirmed by the World Anti-Doping Authority to be a banned drug, as well as Thymosin.

Some forms of Thymosin are permitted for use by athletes but others are not, and it's not clear which type the Bombers may have used.

But Essendon chairman David Evans, who said he was 'deeply sorry' for the 'institutional failures' which occurred in the club's chain of command in 2012, suggested those claims were most probably wide of the mark.

"We have got the help from two pharmacological experts in Dr Andrew Garnham and Professor Ross McKinnon, they have been advising the board for the last three months," Evans said at the unveiling of the Switkowski Report into the governance of the Essendon Football Club last year.

"We are getting more and more confident about the solid safety profile (of supplements used) and indeed the fact that there was nothing banned that was given to our players."

 

[Cletus]

Essendon aren't going to get off. ASADA have evidence that the their players took banned substances, they've got a log of what was given and the players signed consent forms specifying what they were given. Cronulla sound like they were too hopeless to record anything.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Essendon aren't going to get off. ASADA have evidence that the their players took banned substances, they've got a log of what was given and the players signed consent forms specifying what they were given. Cronulla sound like they were too hopeless to record anything.

I've said all along, that if the clubs weren't "systematically doping" and they were just "tricked/fooled" by Danks as is being speculated, ASADA will have all the evidence they need (assuming the shredders haven't been working overtime) purely in the medical records at the clubs because they would have detailed record of what each player is getting given. Do you think a "clean" club would bother to hide their records if they truly believed that they weren't doing anything wrong?

Now if they WERE systematically doping, ASADA might have to find the second set of records. I suspect they start looking in the Storms salary cap office as that's where the second set of books is usually kept.

 

[Cletus]

Essendon were systematically doping, theyre claiming they had no idea they were because Dank told them the drugs were allowable under the WADA code. But the consent forms aren't going to dissapear because the players need them to get money out of essendon. Who knows what happened at Cronulla but if there was evidence you'd think they'd be showing to their players to get them to talk. But I'm fairly sure if essendon get punished so will Cronulla.

 

[CrazyTiger]

Cronulla sound like they were too hopeless to record anything.

If they can't produce medical records then they're full or shit. Cronulla are incompetent but that is akin to not be able to find the ground on game day.

 

[El Diablo]

Essendon aren't going to get off. ASADA have evidence that the their players took banned substances, they've got a log of what was given and the players signed consent forms specifying what they were given. Cronulla sound like they were too hopeless to record anything.

they are claiming they are innoent but didn't document things http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-05-06/dr-ziggy-switskowski-report

But a number of management processes normally associated with good governance failed during this period, and as a result, suspicions and concerns have arisen about the EFC.

In particular the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalization of traditional medical staff etc combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the Club in the period under review.

 

[Cletus]

well even they think they'll get off despite Dank admitting he gave them a banned drug

the coach and chairman even attended a seminar on it http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...-about-peptide-investment-20130211-2e8yd.html

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/bombers-confident-they-are-clean-233734

Essendon just aren't admitting they administered banned drugs because it will prejudice their players interviews. They're not denying it either.

If they can't produce medical records then they're full or shit. Cronulla are incompetent but that is akin to not be able to find the ground on game day.

they are claiming they are innoent but didn't document things http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-05-06/dr-ziggy-switskowski-report

I don't see why they wouldn't have presented the evidence to Graham when they interviewed him. I'm sure he would have opened up. Cronulla seemed to think they were in trouble when they did their internal inquiry so who knows what ASADA have.

 

[CrazyTiger]

I don't see why they wouldn't have presented the evidence to Graham when they interviewed him. I'm sure he would have opened up.

It is about setting the ground rules. He is the test case. It isn't about him, it is about everybody.

Essendon looks to be doing a major mea culpa. If the Sharks have any sense they will do the same.

 

[Bjorn Pork]

It is about setting the ground rules. He is the test case. It isn't about him, it is about everybody.

Essendon looks to be doing a major mea culpa. If the Sharks have any sense they will do the same.

How is the internal report by the club, leading to people actually losing their job, not a major mea culpa.

Your crazy, man, but I like you. Anyone who devotes so much of their free time to trolling a football club is an asset to this forum, and to life.

 

[CrazyTiger]

How is the internal report by the club, leading to people actually losing their job, not a major mea culpa.

As I understand it the new board has promised to reinstate them. It was a major part of their election platform.

Your crazy, man, but I like you.

I am pretty loveable.

Anyone who devotes so much of their free time to trolling a football club is an asset to this forum, and to life.

Cheers. Wait til you see us play this week. Then pass judgement.

 

[Patorick]

Plot thickens.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...legraphs-sources/story-e6frexrr-1226636335653


NRL hires private investigator to trace The Daily Telegraph's sources

Josh Massoud, James Hooper and Rebecca Wilson
The Daily Telegraph
May 07, 2013 12:00AM

The NRL has hired a private investigator - who is famous for hunting Afghani warlords - to trace The Daily Telegraph's sources.

Garry Sweet recently served in the most dangerous country on earth, diving head first into a lawless landscape of terrorism, bloodshed and drug trafficking.

But yesterday the private investigator and security guru was on the phone to three Daily Telegraph sports journalists in a bid to uncover their sources.

As part of the NRL's unwavering ambition to spend its new $1 billion broadcast deal on greater surveillance measures, the paramilitary has been engaged to find the leak of Cronulla's independent report. The NRL confirmed a private investigator was looking into the incident.

"We consulted with Cronulla and all parties agreed the leaking of privileged information is serious and all parties want to get to the bottom of any breaches of confidentiality," an NRL spokesman said.

Last week's court injunction appears to be of little comfort to NRL boss Dave Smith.Smith is desperate to identify whoever leaked the report that formed part of a legal advice, which was only recently handed over to Smith in abbreviated form.

It's a task Smith clearly believes worthy enough to exhaust funds that might otherwise nourish junior development or ailing bush clubs.

According to one of his peers in the private security and investigations sector, Sweet's services would be worth at least $300 an hour.

Self-described as "decorated" and "highly qualified", he boasts an impressive resume on the website of his firm, Australian National Security Investigations and Collections Pty Ltd.

Sweet worked in the Queensland police for 21 years, most of them as a senior detective cracking drug rings and teaching younger officers how to discharge firearms.But Sweet has left the best for last, taking charge of 1236 security personnel in war-torn Afghanistan over the past two years. But on this front at least, Sweet has been handed a difficult battle.

Journalists have about as much time for revealing sources as league supporters have for Smith's "E-squared" formula for fan engagement.Or as players and officials have for Smith's whistleblower unit, another reminder of the Orwellian regime the NRL is starting to resemble.

Whatever the amount, there's the same chance of it working as expecting journalists to expose their sources.

None.

They'll crack.

 

[some11]

Trying to sound tough, FMD.

Bunch of amateurs.

 

[Pete Cash]

The paramilitary :lol: f**k off telegraph.

 

[Pete Cash]

Surely this is getting to the point where the nrl needs to put a blanket ban on dealing with the telegraph. They literally just published that David Smith is taking money from grassroots rugby league to send the "paramilitary" (a paramilitary of one dude) around to the telegraph to crack the skulls of those brave brave journos who are just protecting a source.