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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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ek999

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I actually hope it's in the next week. Get it done boys and girls.

I am just wondering about the other players from other clubs. Will they still try and interview them or. Just go straight to infraction notices. Could be some other club supporters none to happy soon.

Once it gets to the ARLC I think they will move quickly. It's in their best interests to get it all over and done with
 

El Diablo

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Riccio said on radio that supposedly applied to the risk assessment leak they had and not the report

be interesting to see if a judge agrees
 

Spot On

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This is my take of the situation:

ASADA did not lay all their cards out on the table in terms of what they had and didn't have. They then had an interview stage where every person of interest had a chance to co-operate, give their side of the story and perhaps explain any mitigating circumstances.

I feel the majority of the persons of interest were advised by their lawyers that ASADA had nothing and ASADA was relying on info from these interviews. As a result I think most persons of interest decided to shut up shop and give nothing thinking they were in the clear.

ASADA saw they were getting nowhere, decided to end the interviews and is now just about ready to hand out charges and infractions (infractions via the NRL).

This is what I think we will see by the end of this working week.

Of course the other possibility is they really do have nothing and all this will go away. But I think you'd have to be very naive to think that is the case.

One way or the other, next 5 days will reveal everything.


Well nothing has happened for the past three and half months so it would be nice if ASADA reveals something soon. Remember, Graham Annesley was told of information that nearly caused him to defacate instantly in his own pants. Your assumption that they must have something is a no brainer.

If in fact they don't have enough to charge players then the organisation will obviously have an axe taken to it and hopefully a few big names from the darkest day press conference will be axed as well.
 

Cletus

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Riccio said on radio that supposedly applied to the risk assessment leak they had and not the report

be interesting to see if a judge agrees

The risk assessment was legal advice so had privilege attached, they couldn't make the same argument about the whole report.
 

Perth Red

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An interesting turn of events, either ASADA has nothing and is about to look very stupid, I am sure they will try to pass off their incompetence by blaming clubs and players for not cooperating, or players are now screwed and ASADA have enough but were giving them a chance to cooperate and bring their 2 year bans down to 6 months.

Could we be about to see a number of NRL players be outed for 2 years????
 

Cletus

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An interesting turn of events, either ASADA has nothing and is about to look very stupid, I am sure they will try to pass off their incompetence by blaming clubs and players for not cooperating, or players are now screwed and ASADA have enough but were giving them a chance to cooperate and bring their 2 year bans down to 6 months.

Could we be about to see a number of NRL players be outed for 2 years????

They're a kangaroo court and I'd say they'll get two year convictions for some players. Because they actually have to come up with some allegations that certain players used x substance on such and such date I don't think it will be the 13 they were talking about but I think there will be a few bans handed out. I feel sorry for both the players and the club because the players wouldn't have had a clue, and Givney and the club seem to have been all over Dank for the short time he was there.
 

El Diablo

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ASADA only want players if they are going to admit drug use

interesting quote from the CEO too

pathetic http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...es-back-sharks-interviews-20130512-2jg7u.html

ASADA scales back Sharks interviews

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May 13, 2013

Brad Walter
Chief Rugby League Writer

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority remains prepared to interview any Cronulla player willing to give evidence into investigations into alleged drug use at the club in 2011, but has scrapped plans to question every member of the club's squad that season.

Despite being given the green light by NRL chief executive Dave Smith to resume interviews with Cronulla players after a legal dispute over the level of co-operation provided by Wade Graham, ASADA has advised the Sharks' lawyers they do not plan to do so.

The shock move fuelled speculation in league circles on Sunday that ASADA was either close to laying charges against players or conceding defeat in the doping scandal, but Fairfax Media was told the investigation would continue.

However, ASADA will now focus more on other lines of inquiry as the first interview with Graham proved fruitless and investigators believe their resources can be better utilised elsewhere.

''Nothing has really changed since the interviews stopped with Graham except that ASADA has been out doing other things instead of waiting for the players,'' a source told Fairfax Media. ''ASADA remains ready to interview any player who wants to come forward and co-operate but they won't be doing interviews that aren't useful.''

The decision not to resume the player interviews is set to drag out the scandal, and there are genuine fears that it won't be resolved before the end of the season.

''The reason player interviews were a priority was because people wanted to expedite matters but if nothing is going to be coming out of the interviews then ASADA will go around and collect all the other evidence it needs,'' the source said.

''ASADA would stop what it was doing in two seconds flat and interview any player who wants to co-operate but they won't waste their time or the players' time doing interviews where lawyers won't allow the players to talk. If people do want things to move forward more quickly then the key to that is the players, but ASADA has other avenues to chase things down.''

Smith initially outlined a time frame for interviews that he believed would have allowed the NRL to issue infraction notices and stand down players before Origin I on June 5, but that now seems impossible.

''ASADA has assured us they are not backing off in terms of the investigation and the need to get to the bottom of these issues,'' Smith said. ''We are fully committed to assisting ASADA and seeing this through to the right conclusion.''

Smith also defended the NRL for not having taken action over information provided by the Sharks from the findings of an internal club investigation, which was outlined in detail by Fairfax Media on March 10.

The official report, which alleges players received injections in the Sharks' away dressing room on the Friday before their first game of the 2011 season and for up to 11 weeks, was given to the NRL last month.

It was also revealed that an email trail linking the four sacked members of the Sharks' football department demonstrates they feared possible doping breaches at the club at least two months before May 29, 2011, when sports scientist Stephen Dank was told to leave.

Information from a leaked copy of the report was published in News Ltd papers on Sunday after lawyers for the media company determined it was not covered by an indefinite injunction obtained by the Sharks in the NSW Supreme Court.

''Today's reports reinforce what we have said from the outset which is that these matters are serious and we are confident that ASADA will push on with the investigation through whatever means they determine to be the best,'' Smith said.

''They are the experts and the statutory body responsible with access to much wider information sources than us, including the Crime Commission … ASADA has had the Kavanagh report longer than we have and it is significant they have not been able to issue an infraction notice on the basis of that report, so there can be no suggestion that we could have acted on it independently beyond the actions of the Cronulla board.''
 

Perth Red

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So it sounds like ASADA does not have enough to charge players and are just going to keep going in the hope of turning over the right rock. Getting somewhat farcical now.
 

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http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/br...hief-expects-more-waiting-20130512-2jfrr.html

Former ASADA chief expects more waiting

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May 12, 2013 - 10:31PM

Ian McCullough

AAP

Former ASADA boss Richard Ings expects the anti-doping authority to press ahead with its investigation into NRL club Cronulla after taking the decision to scrap interviews with players.

Ings, a former ATP tennis umpire and head of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2006 until 2010, said investigators are likely to have seen the interviews as a waste of time following Wade Graham's controversial meeting with investigators two weeks ago.

That meeting ended abruptly and abandoned two weeks ago after lawyers form both parties failed to agree on a line of questioning.

Explosive excerpts of an independent investigation by former ASADA deputy chair Tricia Kavanagh released in March were published by News Limited on Sunday.

The report claimed the Sharks employed a systematic regimen of peptides in 2011 in a program of injections, tablets and creams over an 11-week period while controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank was linked to the Sharks.

NRL chief executive Dave Smith moved quickly to defend his organisation after it emerged it had been in possession of Kavanagh's report but had not made any moves to issue infraction notices against any Cronulla players.

The NRL was slammed by World Anti Doping Agency (WADA) boss John Fahey earlier this week for not being helpful enough in the investigation compared to the AFL and Essendon, who like Cronulla have been embroiled in the crisis over its supplements program under Dank.

Ings said it would not have been possible for Smith to have made a decision without ASADA acting first.

"The findings in the report would have to be proven first even though it appears to be quite damning," Ings told AAP.

"What ASADA and the NRL would have to prove at a tribunal is that what is written in the report can be corroborated.

"So ASADA will have to prove the substances were banned and there is some contention about that.

"Next they have to show what people took and that not just on a piece of a paper, but corroborating evidence that someone injected it.

"They have to show that whatever was in the syringe was a banned substance."

Before any infraction notice can be imposed on a player by the NRL, ASADA has to present a water-tight case to the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel (ADRVP).

The ADRVP is a statutory function of the federal government made up of lawyers, doctors and lab specialists.

"The delay will be ASADA preparing it's case to the ADRVP," Ings said.

"The ADRVP want to know for sure all the facts to make an informed decision because any verdict they make can be appealed to a range of government bodies.

"This is through the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) which is a statutory body. When any government body in Australia makes a decision that is not accepted it can be appealed here."

It's expected Cronulla's legal team would appeal any guilty decision and Ings expects the case will continue to drag on for many more months.

"This is one of the most complicated cases I've ever seen, it involves the two biggest codes in the country," he said.
 

R2Coupe

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An interesting turn of events, either ASADA has nothing and is about to look very stupid, I am sure they will try to pass off their incompetence by blaming clubs and players for not cooperating, or players are now screwed and ASADA have enough but were giving them a chance to cooperate and bring their 2 year bans down to 6 months.

Could we be about to see a number of NRL players be outed for 2 years????

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-lays-siege-20130512-2jg7g.html#ixzz2T6Bu0rqk

It is best not to annoy WADA and ASADA.
 
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