Origins a drag on the Comp

[Chins]

Origin players get 30k a game
Test players get 3k a game

They can pick tonga or Samoa at the end of the year pacific cup

Those boys wouldn't give a f**k

 

[Fangs]

I haven't heard a legitimate argument for it to not be 3 weeks straight. I can't see that damaging quality, ratings, attendance or general interest at all.

Whether we pause the NRL or not in that timeframe is another conversation but at the very least we lessen the impact on the NRL by condensing the origin period.

If Origin stands alone for three weeks then will the NRL season length be shortened? I can't see that happening. Too much lost income.

However, introduce teams 18/19 (And maybe team 20) and you can take a round or two off the regular season. That is when an Origin three week schedule will be happen I think.

For now the scheduling will stay as it is.

 

[Captain Apollo]

There are a few problems, as some have pointed out already, with getting rid of Origin.

Firstly finance. As a revenue earner, it earns a lot of money for the NRL, which then flows to the players, clubs, and helps provide funds for junior development. That money goes direct to the NRL. If you get rid of it altogether, you are unlikely to make it up in revenue from the broadcast rights deals for the NRL competition, nor international rugby league either.

Secondly, broadcast rights. As they currently stand the NRL are obligated to provide so many games per week under its various broadcast deals to its broadcast rights holders. As such unless those deals are re-worked significantly, at least one of those rights holders would probably object to the NRL competition being "put on hold" for Origin matches. Why? Simple, non-free to air broadcasters have been unable to broadcast them, Channel Nine insist on exclusive rights. That combined with anti-siphoning legislation also inhibits non-free to air broadcasters unless the FTA rights holder is willing to allow simultaneous broadcasts which, to date, Nine haven't been.

One other thing many people overlook with Origin is that playing in origin matches gives players exposure to his intensity, high pressure matches akin to finals football. That is what helps clubs who have those players selected in the longer run when those teams make the finals, its players have some idea of what to expect.

Its a hard one to work out as there are a number of issues. Fact is though that it won't change until someone work out what games need to be lopped off the rugby league calendar if you want Origin to be played on stand alone weekends. If you look at the current rugby league calendar, we have trials played in February through to international matches played in november. You can't just say "oh we'll make it even longer to add in stand alone weekends for Origin" as it would impact on the mandatory time in the CBA on which players are on leave at the end of the season.

In terms of games we need to worry about "quality" of the games played as opposed top "quantity". For example, in the USA, the NFL which has a regular season comprising 285 matches which earns them $110 billion per season. The NBA by comparison has a season comprising 1,320 matches which earns them approximately $2.7 billion from its domestic broadcasters with another $700 million from its international broadcasters. Even Major League Baseball only earns $1.762 billion pear season for its 2483 game season (note, this figure excludes revenue for local TV rights deals negotiated by MLB clubs).

 

[flippikat]

Respectfully disagree on the one game instead of three. We just need to schedule the whole thing better.

I look at something like the Premier League. They have International breaks where players are released from their clubs to play for their national side and the competition pauses. Just throwing out some ideas but we could for example:

- Pause the competition for 3 weeks and play Origin during this time. Gives the option for England to pause their competition and play Internationals against New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, PNG etc. My dream scenario but you know people would complain having to go 3 weeks without club footy.

A 3 week pause for rep footy (Origin AND tests) would IMO be ideal.

Gets it done in one brief burst, no rounds where only half the clubs play, and no clubs burdened by rep stars being unavailable.

 

[Chins]

A 3 week pause for rep footy (Origin AND tests) would IMO be ideal.

Gets it done in one brief burst, no rounds where only half the clubs play, and no clubs burdened by rep stars being unavailable.

Women's internationals and id look at a NRL 9s.
Hard to play internationals when Australia, Samoa and Tonga are out.

 

[Canard]

Let's get rid of 3 Grand Finals of TV ratings, revenue and crowds, so that Tigers V Titans can be played in front of 6500 people.

Only on LU

 

[Chins]

Let's get rid of 3 Grand Finals of TV ratings, revenue and crowds, so that Tigers V Titans can be played in front of 6500 people.

Only on LU

You're normally sooking about the comp not being fair. Origin is the biggest issue

 

[Canard]

You're normally sooking about the comp not being fair. Origin is the biggest issue

Nah, bullshit.

Clubs ultimately benefit from having players involved in big games like this, and it is a good "top-up" to salaries.

You would have to be an incredibly short sighted imbecile, like a real f**king moron, to not see the benefits of Origin to growing our game in non-RL states and revenue generation

 

[Chins]

Nah, bullshit.

Clubs ultimately benefit from having players involved in big games like this, and it is a good "top-up" to salaries.

You would have to be an incredibly short sighted imbecile, like a real f**king moron, to not see the benefits of Origin to growing our game in non-RL states and revenue generation

Fairness > profit

It might be 20 years off but internationals will kill origin

 

[Vlad59]

Fairness > profit

It might be 20 years off but internationals will kill origin

Internationals will kill origin in 20 years. You read it here first folks!

 

[Chins]

Internationals will kill origin in 20 years. You read it here first folks!

If they haven't our sport is in big trouble

 

[Wb1234]

If they haven't our sport is in big trouble

Inter state football goes back to well before rugby league was founded in Australia

Anybody suggesting Australia’s biggest sporting event won’t exist is a fool

It’s responsible for around 15 percent of the total revenue of the game

And it’s growing the game in afl states

The issue is origin sucks the life out of the club comp and the nrl is happy serving up a devalued comp for around 3 months

 

[Chins]

Its unprofessional nonsense and only a matter of time before the clubs just say no

I don't understand why people are laughing at this. You're all thinking way too small, just think when the minimum contract is 1million, stars on 10 million a year........can you see Liverpool FC, LA Lakers or the Dallas Cowboys letting players play in serious exhibition games?
The American all star games are a joke and for good reason.

 

[Valheru]

If Origin stands alone for three weeks then will the NRL season length be shortened? I can't see that happening. Too much lost income.

However, introduce teams 18/19 (And maybe team 20) and you can take a round or two off the regular season. That is when an Origin three week schedule will be happen I think.

For now the scheduling will stay as it is.

Having it standalone is one option but you can still condense it to 3 weeks and have the NRL continue.

The best idea I've heard so far is in an 18 team comp have one round split over those 3 weekends so 3 games each week. That means you could satisfy the channel 9 contract and every team has one game without origin players.

 

[Vlad59]

I don't understand why people are laughing at this. You're all thinking way too small, just think when the minimum contract is 1million, stars on 10 million a year........can you see Liverpool FC, LA Lakers or the Dallas Cowboys letting players play in serious exhibition games?
The American all star games are a joke and for good reason.

You are disagreeing with yourself?

 

[Vlad59]

If they haven't our sport is in big trouble

Rugby league to be in ‘big trouble’ in 20 years if origin still dominates game!

 

[Chins]

You are disagreeing with yourself?

You're very special

 

[Vlad59]

You're very special

At least I don’t talk to myself on a forum.

 

[CAS]

I am sure when I used to watch the NRL in the 80's and maybe early 90's, you would have players playing for their Club sides a few days after playing in Origin, I know player welfare as it is now they wouldn't be allowed to do that. but sure it used to happen.

 

[flippikat]

Women's internationals and id look at a NRL 9s.
Hard to play internationals when Australia, Samoa and Tonga are out.

There's certainly options around how to make content during that window - as wlell as your suggestoions, theres also potentially NZ vs England or Great Britain, 3 test series.. heck, maybe even something with the 2nd tier Qld & NSW Cup clubs involved?