Origins a drag on the Comp

[Gobsmacked]

A proven formula of success and these twats think that it’s a drain on the comp?

The success of one thing that is a direct detriment to another isn't a success when they're the same thing- Rugby league.
We are currently sucking all the life out of the NRL ( star players, media exposure and viewership) and giving it to state of origin.

If we calculated all the attendance, media coverage, ratings ect lost for the regular season during Origin.. leave us probably with what origin pulls each year.
It's not even certain that it's a net benefit to the game...

If we get the schedule right, like a rep period.. it's all cream.

We basically have 2 restaurants beside each other... we're saying.. hey, how about we move one to it's own location...and have 2 booming restaurants!

Get it?

Probably not lol

 

[Vlad59]

Am I? I think that was the first time I responded to you in this thread tbh. I'm not sure if that qualifies as being upset. And I'm not the one calling people they disagree with twats, either.

I don't even know what your opinion is to be fair, old mate. Seems to just be something about current TV viewing numbers meaning Origin can never be questioned, improved, or better managed.

Settle down mate. It’s just a forum.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Settle down mate. It’s just a forum.

You're telling him to settle down?
....
...interesting

 

[Maximus]

I'd bet if there was no origin on, there'd still be just as little interest in the NRL comp as there is now, because the season is too long.

Interest will naturally wane midseason as a bunch of supporters already know their teams won't play finals and half the games feel inconsequential. Most fans are casuals, and they aren't watching their team play 24 games.

Origin actually keeps some interest in what would be a dead period of the year.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The success of one thing that is a direct detriment to another isn't a success when they're the same thing- Rugby league.
We are currently sucking all the life out of the NRL ( star players, media exposure and viewership) and giving it to state of origin.

If we calculated all the attendance, media coverage, ratings ect lost for the regular season during Origin.. leave us probably with what origin pulls each year.
It's not even certain that it's a net benefit to the game...

If we get the schedule right, like a rep period.. it's all cream.

We basically have 2 restaurants beside each other... we're saying.. hey, how about we move one to it's own location...and have 2 booming restaurants!

Get it?

Probably not lol

Oh yes, because the NRL organsoition and its clubs don't get any of the revenue nor publicity from State of Origin eh? It all goes to some other sport

I mean seriously, it not like football where club revenues go to the respective professional leagues or FAs, whilst any international monies goes to FIFA who distribute it to national associations. Money from Origin goes to th e same organisation, the NRL. Also in terms of publicity, Origin is what often draws in more new people than an NRL game.

What do you think will attarct new viewers:

1. A State of Origin match; or
2. A Gold Coast v Cowboys NRL game?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Oh yes, because the NRL organsoition and its clubs don't get any of the revenue nor publicity from State of Origin eh? It all goes to some other sport

I mean seriously, it not like football where club revenues go to the respective professional leagues or FAs, whilst any international monies goes to FIFA who distribute it to national associations. Money from Origin goes to th e same organisation, the NRL. Also in terms of publicity, Origin is what often draws in more new people than an NRL game.

What do you think will attarct new viewers:

1. A State of Origin match; or
2. A Gold Coast v Cowboys NRL game?

You've missed my point and almost everyone else's point completely.

 

[Reflector]

That happens when Laurie Daley is coach. It’s crazy the difference between him as a player and as a coach.

I've said before that he's the NSW version of Wally: the first bloke you'd pick in his states' all time greatest Origin starting 13, probably with the (c) next to his name at that. But not the bloke you'd pick as coach.

Saying that, his job picking the squad and motivating them is a lot easier than it was the last time around. My bigger issue is Bellamy's involvement when he's still going up against his Storm players at this level...

 

[The Axe of Druss]

The origin period isn't perfect

However, not one "solution" presented here or in the media offers a better scenario then what we have now. All of them are either too convoluted or simply introduce new issues while attempting to fix old ones.

The only way we are getting stand alone Origin games with a halt to the season is if the NRL shorten the season and convince the broadcasters agree to pay the same for less product. Unlikely to happen any time soon

 

[PARRA_FAN]

The origin period isn't perfect

However, not one "solution" presented here or in the media offers a better scenario then what we have now. All of them are either too convoluted or simply introduce new issues while attempting to fix old ones.

The only way we are getting stand alone Origin games with a halt to the season is if the NRL shorten the season and convince the broadcasters agree to pay the same for less product. Unlikely to happen any time soon

They tried it in 2001 for all 3 games played on Sunday night and nothing else that weekend. Didnt work. The ratings were poor, fans got the sh1ts about not having Friday night football, Channel 9 didnt like it.

The current system is ok but I wish they would trial the old split round system like we had in the 90s. Probably wont happen though.

 

[Trifili13]

Happy for the Dragon's to take over any SOO players that clubs don't want so they can concentrate on the home and away season and don't have any players missing during the SOO period.

 

[mozza91]

You can argue about Origin’s importance or popularity all you want but the thread’s about it being a drain on Comp which it undeniably is and has been for years.

 

[Desert Qlder]

It's also a tremendous benefit to the competition so any effort to portray it as a relentless negative will be treated with the disdain that deserves.

 

[Valheru]

The origin period isn't perfect

However, not one "solution" presented here or in the media offers a better scenario then what we have now. All of them are either too convoluted or simply introduce new issues while attempting to fix old ones.

The only way we are getting stand alone Origin games with a halt to the season is if the NRL shorten the season and convince the broadcasters agree to pay the same for less product. Unlikely to happen any time soon

How is the below not a better solution?

Origin on three Wednesdays in a row with the 3 weekends before the games being 1 round split. That means in an 18 team comp 3 games per weekend. Add in womens origin and the schedule would be per below for 3 weeks in a row.

Friday night NRL
Saturday night NRL
Sunday arvo NRL
Wednesday night origin
Thursday night womens origin.

Each team would then have exactly one game they have to navigate without Origin players. All teams would have to decide what to do with their origin players the weekend after game 3.

What issues do you see with this idea?

 

[The Axe of Druss]

How is the below not a better solution?

Origin on three Wednesdays in a row with the 3 weekends before the games being 1 round split. That means in an 18 team comp 3 games per weekend. Add in womens origin and the schedule would be per below for 3 weeks in a row.

Friday night NRL
Saturday night NRL
Sunday arvo NRL
Wednesday night origin
Thursday night womens origin.

Each team would then have exactly one game they have to navigate without Origin players. All teams would have to decide what to do with their origin players the weekend after game 3.

What issues do you see with this idea?

The broadcasters only having 3 NRL games over the weekend
Yet more games the rep players will need to play as they are only getting 1 off not 3
What happens to the NRLW? They will have Origin effect at least 1 of their weekends when their player depth is already shallow

At least those 3 off the top of my head

 

[Valheru]

The broadcasters only having 3 NRL games over the weekend
Yet more games the rep players will need to play as they are only getting 1 off not 3
What happens to the NRLW? They will have Origin effect at least 1 of their weekends when their player depth is already shallow

At least those 3 off the top of my head

The broadcasters only have 5 now. In the case of channel 9 they would get tge same as now with Friday night and Sunday arvo games. Foxtel does get two less games but not sure how much difference that would make.

Some of the NRL players only get 1 of 3 off now as their team has two byes. I don't see any major difference here.

It doesn't necessarily need to effect NRLW depending on when the 3 week origin period is.

 

[colly]

The origin period isn't perfect

However, not one "solution" presented here or in the media offers a better scenario then what we have now. All of them are either too convoluted or simply introduce new issues while attempting to fix old ones.

The only way we are getting stand alone Origin games with a halt to the season is if the NRL shorten the season and convince the broadcasters agree to pay the same for less product. Unlikely to happen any time soon

I like the 5 team round, at least i am closer to taking out footytab, however the last round was a dud, only one right.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The broadcasters only having 3 NRL games over the weekend
Yet more games the rep players will need to play as they are only getting 1 off not 3
What happens to the NRLW? They will have Origin effect at least 1 of their weekends when their player depth is already shallow

At least those 3 off the top of my head

Channel; 9 wouldn't care if there were only 3 games. Fox Sports would have the greater concern as they are the ones most deprived of content. Nine won't allow Origin to be simultaneous broadcast, so Fox can't show it live anywhere.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

The broadcasters only have 5 now. In the case of channel 9 they would get tge same as now with Friday night and Sunday arvo games. Foxtel does get two less games but not sure how much difference that would make.

Some of the NRL players only get 1 of 3 off now as their team has two byes. I don't see any major difference here.

It doesn't necessarily need to effect NRLW depending on when the 3 week origin period is.

Firstly, 9 generally doesnt have the rights to Sat night games so they would indeed be effected

Secondly, an extra 2 games of content and therefore revenue would make a sizable difference to either broadcaster


Like I said, all of the "solutions" I've seen have obvious and not so obvious drawbacks that would make the NRL and its stakeholders baulk. There doesn't appear to be a silver bullet

 

[Valheru]

Firstly, 9 generally doesnt have the rights to Sat night games so they would indeed be effected

Secondly, an extra 2 games of content and therefore revenue would make a sizable difference to either broadcaster


Like I said, all of the "solutions" I've seen have obvious and not so obvious drawbacks that would make the NRL and its stakeholders baulk. There doesn't appear to be a silver bullet

9 wouldn't be affected at all. They would get content on Thursday (womens origin), Friday and Sunday like they do now. Not sure what Saturday has to do with this?

Foxtel would be two exclusive slots short, that is true.

If it makes them baulk then negotiate and give them something back. There are plenty of good ideas like flexible scheduling in later rounds for example.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

9 wouldn't be affected at all. They would get content on Thursday (womens origin), Friday and Sunday like they do now. Not sure what Saturday has to do with this?

Foxtel would be two exclusive slots short, that is true.

If it makes them baulk then negotiate and give them something back. There are plenty of good ideas like flexible scheduling in later rounds for example.

9 miss out on the Thursday content BEFORE the first weekend based on your "solution" above. They would be giving up a game