Origins a drag on the Comp

[Reflector]

Where did the majority of the other 20% come from? How many "locals" are expats NSWelshmen? What's the evidence that the born and bred WA people prefer the Blues?

So the majority of the 20% outsiders were responsible for notably louder cheering for NSW/ louder booing of Qld in this years' fixture, or the 2022 and 2019 fixtures in Perth?

W.A fans must be a quiet bunch...

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I thought it was fairly evident with the last sentence?

I'm happy at this point for anybody else following this discussion to tell me if they also struggled to understand the point or think I suggested that QLD had the superior sides in those years picked...

Did Queensland have the better side in 1995, 2020 and 2025? It's a pretty simple question

 

[titoelcolombiano]

So the majority of the 20% outsiders were responsible for notably louder cheering for NSW/ louder booing of Qld in this years' fixture, or the 2022 and 2019 fixtures in Perth?

W.A fans must be a quiet bunch...

I'm asking you, you haven't answered

 

[The Axe of Druss]

So the fact that only 4 Maroons make the Blues squad is irrelevant, but playing depth has nothing to do with available talent. Classic... Don't change mate

Its not fact at all mate, its subjective. You cherry pick silly points based on very limited parameters and act like you're making some profound statement yet its mostly meaningless.

Please change mate, you're 1 dimensional and boring

 

[King hit]

1995- as people have mentioned here and elsewhere before, the breakout of the SL war played a considerable part. It served as a big distraction for Gus and a lot of the NSW players. Gus later conceded he should've managed that series a lot better. @King hit can go into more detail about that series. In 1996 with both sides SL-aligned players back, a stronger Blues team whitewashed a stronger Maroons team. A series where Gus epitomised "pick and stick" for eternity by keeping the exact same 17 for all 3 games.

2020- the same guy who wouldn't go near the Qld coaching gig back in 1995 after Wally got sacked, stepped up this time. If he really believed that Maroons team were as bad as a lot of people make out, I doubt he would've risked his reputation on them. 6 months later a stronger Qld line-up got belted (with all 3 games in Qld) under Slater's predecessor.

2025- a guy who looks like he's got the makings of being a genuinely decent coach, out-coached a guy who is clearly out of his depth. Much the same NSW squad 12 months previous looked the better team for 30 minutes in Game 1 despite being down a man, racked up a record halftime score in neutral territory in Game 2 and then won the game (and the mind-games) in Game 3. If Laurie Loser stays on for 2026 I could give you pick the margins for all 3 games because I've seen this show before. Saying that, I didn't think NSW would win in 2014 so there's always room for a surprise...

It's telling how a team's fortunes (even at Origin level where apparently the coach is just a talking head) change so notably with little more than a change of the coach.

Fittlers autobiography was quite eye opening about 1995. Vautin was perfect for that one series. I seriously don’t care about the 2020 series at all that year is the only year where I have no respect for the results. 2020 was a disgraceful year that is scrubbed from history as far as I’m concerned.

The origin record to me is like the broncos and cowboys record. When you take the golden boys away from origin the all time series wins pretty much 50/50 it’s 50/50 ever since 2018 btw. The Broncos have won more than the cowboys but it took the cowboys 10 years to do it. Will never forget that night and Tallis’s soulless stare at full time.

edit: Cowboys usually are the better of the two from when I can remember it vividly. I actually don’t remember the Cowboys pre 2002.

 

[Reflector]

Did Queensland have the better side in 1995, 2020 and 2025? It's a pretty simple question

NSW had the more talented side in 1995 (but the Qld team actually had more 1st grade experience as a collective) and in 2025. In 2020 NSW had the better backline but Qld had the incumbent halves and the forwards were comparable.

Who was coaching them made a notable difference in each case but. As it tends to...

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Its not fact at all mate, its subjective. You cherry pick silly points based on very limited parameters and act like you're making some profound statement yet its mostly meaningless.

Please change mate, you're 1 dimensional and boring

Ok we'll leave it there then because we have different points of view on the topic.

I think a deeper playing pool (all other factors equal) leads to a deeper pool of top end talent. Something that is statistically obvious and backed up by the fact that a merged Origin side will always almost be majority Blues players.

You think a deeper playing pool makes zero difference despite statistics and evidence so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Ok we'll leave it there then because we have different points of view on the topic.

I think a deeper playing pool (all other factors equal) leads to a deeper pool of top end talent. Something that is statistically obvious and backed up by the fact that a merged Origin side will always almost be majority Blues players.

You think a deeper playing pool makes zero difference despite statistics and evidence so we'll have to agree to disagree.

You say statistics and evidence and yet provide neither

You're a joke

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You say statistics and evidence and yet provide neither

You're a joke

Here's your statistics:

This is basic probability: if top talent = top 1%, then having 1% of 1,000,000 athletes (10,000) gives you far more elite options than 1% of 100,000 athletes (1,000).

The broader the base, the higher the ceiling, assuming similar training and support structures (which the NRL provides all Origin players).

Evidence:
1. This year 4 Maroons would have made the Blues squad before game one. Blues players would dominate the combined squads of most Origin squads.

2. Key position depth - NSW has QLD covered here in spades

You can fob the argument it off and call me a joke all you like, but all you are responding with is, no, you are wrong... because I said so.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

International RL > Origin

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Here's your statistics:

This is basic probability: if top talent = top 1%, then having 1% of 1,000,000 athletes (10,000) gives you far more elite options than 1% of 100,000 athletes (1,000).

The broader the base, the higher the ceiling, assuming similar training and support structures (which the NRL provides all Origin players).

Evidence:
1. This year 4 Maroons would have made the Blues squad before game one. Blues players would dominate the combined squads of most Origin squads.

2. Key position depth - NSW has QLD covered here in spades

You can fob the argument it off and call me a joke all you like, but all you are responding with is, no, you are wrong... because I said so.

What about 2006 - 2013. How many Maroons would have made the Blues squad then?


You simply have zero basis for your statement, just admit it.