OT: Association Football

[Poupou Escobar]

Nice deflection mate.
I don't disagree with anything you have said about the RBB. I cannot say it enough times ffs!!!
What you always avoid though is the alternative argument about what has been ignored n the past.

Do you think A-League shit from the past has contributed to the A-League management feeling like they need to walk on eggshells now? It sucks that the WSW were the straw that broke the camel's back but they should've known this time, if not last time, that the camel had a f**kload of straw piled on it.

 

[Suitman]

Still no answers as to why this was never dealt with in the past, when other clubs repeatedly also offended.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Same reason Harvey Weinstein got away with being a sex pest for so long. Some problems take time for any merkin to do something about them.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Maybe it wasn't a problem until it was accompanied by an unprecedented level of anti-social behaviour and anti-FFA rhetoric.

 

[Gronk]

Nice deflection mate.
I don't disagree with anything you have said about the RBB. I cannot say it enough times ffs!!!
What you always avoid though is the alternative argument about what has been ignored n the past.

One off instances by a club here or there is incomparable to the arrogant disrespectful anti authoritarian stance of the RBB.

 

[Suitman]

One off instances by a club here or there

lol.

 

[Gronk]

@Poupou Escobar already touched on this, but it is obvious to all but wanderers fans, that they have a victim mentality.

Psychology.com lists symptoms of victim mentality (below) and they hit the mark in nearly every way.

• You’re constantly blaming other people or situations for feeling miserable
• You possess a “life is against me” philosophy
• You’re cynical or pessimistic
• You see your problems as catastrophes and blow them out of proportion
• You think others are purposely trying to hurt you
• You believe you’re the only one being targeted for mistreatment
• You keep reliving past painful memories that made you feel like a victim
• You refuse to consider other perspectives when talking about your problem
• You feel attacked when you’re given constructive criticism
• You believe you’re not responsible for what happens in your life (others are)
• You believe that everyone is “better off” than you
• You seem to enjoy feeling sorry for yourself
• You attract people like you (who complain, blame, and feel victimized)
• You enjoy sharing your tragic stories with other people
• You have a habit of blaming, attacking, and accusing those you love for how you feel
• You feel powerless to change your circumstances
• You expect to gain sympathy from others, and when you don’t get it, you feel upset
• You refuse to analyze yourself or improve your life
• You tend to “one-up” people when it comes to sharing traumatic experiences

 

[strider]

Agree with suity ... the wanderers do seem to be well scrutinised

But also agree, they havent done their cause alot of good over the years

 

[Gronk]

lol.

So which other club has carried on like WSW have for years, but avoided scrutiny ?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Agree with suity ... the wanderers do seem to be well scrutinised

But also agree, they havent done their cause alot of good over the years

 

[Gary Gutful]

@Poupou Escobar already touched on this, but it is obvious to all but wanderers fans, that they have a victim mentality.

Psychology.com lists symptoms of victim mentality (below) and they hit the mark in nearly every way.

• You’re constantly blaming other people or situations for feeling miserable
• You possess a “life is against me” philosophy
• You’re cynical or pessimistic
• You see your problems as catastrophes and blow them out of proportion
• You think others are purposely trying to hurt you
• You believe you’re the only one being targeted for mistreatment
• You keep reliving past painful memories that made you feel like a victim
• You refuse to consider other perspectives when talking about your problem
• You feel attacked when you’re given constructive criticism
• You believe you’re not responsible for what happens in your life (others are)
• You believe that everyone is “better off” than you
• You seem to enjoy feeling sorry for yourself
• You attract people like you (who complain, blame, and feel victimized)
• You enjoy sharing your tragic stories with other people
• You have a habit of blaming, attacking, and accusing those you love for how you feel
• You feel powerless to change your circumstances
• You expect to gain sympathy from others, and when you don’t get it, you feel upset
• You refuse to analyze yourself or improve your life
• You tend to “one-up” people when it comes to sharing traumatic experiences

Sums up this thread perfectly.

 

[Twizzle]

much like being an Eels fan really

 

[Suitman]

One off instances by a club here or there is incomparable to the arrogant disrespectful anti authoritarian stance of the RBB.

So which other club has carried on like WSW have for years, but avoided scrutiny ?

One off instances? Which club(s)?
You have just proven your ignorance of the whole situation.
And before I go on, and for the umpteenth time which you continue to ignore, I agree the Wanderers have NOT been angels.

I would have thought though with your superior googling skills you would have found the following quite easily.
Might I add, I'm not sure I heard much about these instances in the media, nor did I hear anything from you. Nor did I hear anything about show cause notices from the FFA. Go figure?
One off instances? Let's just see shall we?


(last years grand final for starters).


(flares at a public railway station and at Pirtek, proudly promoted by The Cove)

(pitch invasion by ESFC fans. No bannings resulted from this).


The Cove, Highlights of their 2013/14 season, proudly promoting the use of flares throughout the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3N7vF_eHvU

Family friendly language?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83VrULccfiU

There's plenty more where that came from.

Furthermore, how about Victory?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfRRM8lcP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7x8arR3Aqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuD-dsDOm8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZZfFm-J0hc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX2kH3ANzgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfRRM8lcP8


Brisbane Roar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPAcq7Ki0M (Throwing them onto the pitch and the crowd loving it)

Adelaide?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlNqX1dlKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGxU7s6Kao4

Melbourne City fans have done some pretty bad shit as well. Tearing up seats and throwing them over balconies at opposition fans. Also ripping flares. I can't be f**ked looking up another clubs you tube videos but I think you get the point.


Please don't accuse me of a victim mentality.
This shit has been going on for ever and a day. Yet, who do we ever hear about it?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Wow.

Gronk's victim mentality depiction is spot on.

 

[84 Baby]

Definitely victim mentality but Suity still has right to defend himself against you merkins

 

[Gronk]

One off instances? Which club(s)?
You have just proven your ignorance of the whole situation.
And before I go on, and for the umpteenth time which you continue to ignore, I agree the Wanderers have NOT been angels.

I would have thought though with your superior googling skills you would have found the following quite easily.
Might I add, I'm not sure I heard much about these instances in the media, nor did I hear anything from you. Nor did I hear anything about show cause notices from the FFA. Go figure?
One off instances? Let's just see shall we?


(last years grand final for starters).


(flares at a public railway station and at Pirtek, proudly promoted by The Cove)

(pitch invasion by ESFC fans. No bannings resulted from this).


The Cove, Highlights of their 2013/14 season, proudly promoting the use of flares throughout the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3N7vF_eHvU

Family friendly language?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83VrULccfiU

There's plenty more where that came from.

Furthermore, how about Victory?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfRRM8lcP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7x8arR3Aqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuD-dsDOm8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZZfFm-J0hc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX2kH3ANzgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfRRM8lcP8


Brisbane Roar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPAcq7Ki0M (Throwing them onto the pitch and the crowd loving it)

Adelaide?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlNqX1dlKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGxU7s6Kao4

Melbourne City fans have done some pretty bad shit as well. Tearing up seats and throwing them over balconies at opposition fans. Also ripping flares. I can't be f**ked looking up another clubs you tube videos but I think you get the point.


Please don't accuse me of a victim mentality.
This shit has been going on for ever and a day. Yet, who do we ever hear about it?

From what I can see the Wanderers, after years and years and years of f**kwittery, have copped a $50k fine and suspended points deduction. Supreme f**kwittery has been rewarded with the odd 5 year ban for individuals. The other day your club closed the RBB for a match.

So from my POV you guys have been hit with a wet lettuce.

Your links have shown that other fans have been mimicking the f**kwittery, but you have not proved that their behaviour has been as systematic as WSW. Anyway, the whole point of this convo is that apparently WSW have been treated far more harshly than other fans. Maybe thay have. Maybe you guys are copping it bc you are far the worst and a trigger for other fans to mimic the f**kwittery. TBH I think it’s a shame that the ALeague were not tougher on poor fan behaviour from the start. Facts are that if you merkins just went to the game and watched soccer without the testosterone fuelled BS, we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

What I do know is that other codes don’t have problems like soccer, save the Dogs fans 10 years ago and our coin throwing incident. To their credit, the Dogs got on top of their idiot fans and banned them. These days Dogs fans are rowdy but a greater police presence and a few life bans has lessened the problems.

It’s a shame that soccer clubs have not shut down the arrogant cohorts that do far more harm to the game than good. Ironically, the RBB seem to think that the game would be worse off without them. Nope, and the arrogance is astonishing. Your demands ? FMD.

 

[Suitman]

From what I can see the Wanderers, after years and years and years of f**kwittery, have copped a $50k fine and suspended points deduction. Supreme f**kwittery has been rewarded with the odd 5 year ban for individuals. The other day your club closed the RBB for a match.

So from my POV you guys have been hit with a wet lettuce.

Your links have shown that other fans have been mimicking the f**kwittery,

Mimicking? This shit was going on way before the Wanderers came in.

So which other club has carried on like WSW have for years, but avoided scrutiny ?

Ahhmm, I showed you in the post above.

but you have not proved that their behaviour has been as systematic as WSW. Anyway, the whole point of this convo is that apparently WSW have been treated far more harshly than other fans. Maybe thay have. Maybe you guys are copping it bc you are far the worst and a trigger for other fans to mimic the f**kwittery. TBH I think it’s a shame that the ALeague were not tougher on poor fan behaviour from the start. Facts are that if you merkins just went to the game and watched soccer without the testosterone fuelled BS, we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

What I do know is that other codes don’t have problems like soccer, save the Dogs fans 10 years ago and our coin throwing incident. To their credit, the Dogs got on top of their idiot fans and banned them. These days Dogs fans are rowdy but a greater police presence and a few life bans has lessened the problems.

It’s a shame that soccer clubs have not shut down the arrogant cohorts that do far more harm to the game than good. Ironically, the RBB seem to think that the game would be worse off without them. Nope, and the arrogance is astonishing. Your demands ? FMD.

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Ahhm, those demands were also "demanded" by the other 9 clubs active supporter groups - that being for a fair and transparent appeals process against unfair bannings. So, it wasn't JUST the Wanderers who were in your words, being arrogant.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yes, there were other clubs supporters that misbehaved but the Wanderers have taken things to a new level. Any argument to suggest otherwise is a deflection and a failure to accept responsibility for shit actions that have provided media fodder and brought the game into disrepute.

Supporter groups from any clubs that are threatening the code's governing body should be harshly dealt with by the club. If not then the club should be harshly dealt with by the code. The game is bigger than any one club and dickhead supporter groups need to pull their heads in.

I'd be f**ken embarrassed if so called Parra fans started behaving like this.

 

[84 Baby]

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What a shithouse rhyme.
Although we've listed our demand isn't much better. And not really a list

 

[Gronk]