OT: Association Football

[hindy111]

Forest is a great story.

Ange will have to go soon I think. 3 or 4 games to save himself.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Chelsea are having a very charitable month, full of Christmas spirit

 

[King-Gutho94]

Forest is a great story.

Ange will have to go soon I think. 3 or 4 games to save himself.

Top 10 at the halfway mark consist of Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham & Brighton.

If someone told you those 4 were in the top 10 at the halfway mark of the season you would have been thinking there taking the piss.

I think the continue fall from grace for Manchester United is just as fascinating.

How has a monster club like them turned into an absolute shell of a joint to what they were under Ferguson.

I am loving there struggles personally.

Just goes to show you can have all the money in the world but incompetence and bad management will lead to disastrous results.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do they really have so much money? None of the top players or managers ever go there. These merkins follow the money. But there's no onfield benefit from having money if you don't spend it. That's the difference between strong financial management and just buying competitions. Look at Barcelona.

 

[Twizzle]

Look at Barcelona.

more like lol@Barca

Barcelona hope to finally register Dani Olmo after agreeing VIP seating deal​

Barcelona hope to finally register Dani Olmo after agreeing VIP seating deal

Barcelona look set to avoid losing Dani Olmo in January after closing a last-minute €100m VIP seating deal to meet FFP requirements

www.theguardian.com

and then, imagine buying a player and not having enough money to register him


selling off VIP seats to register a player and this isn't the only asset they have either sold, or tried to seel

they'll have no assets left if they keep going the way they are going

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But they won the Spanish league in 2023

 

[hindy111]

Man U isn't the powerful club it once was. Chelsea aren't either.
I'd say Roman Abromhovich transformed the EPL. It used to be a 2 horse race between Man U and Arsenal. It become the most powerfull league in the world. Rarely did an English side play in the champions league final. Now its a suprise if none ar ein the final 4.
More and more clubs started getting taken over by wealthier owners which bought in better players across the whole comp.
Add in TV rights and it become big business.


It means also a weak club can still have a budget of 100mill pounds and unlike NRL there are hidden gems all over the world. Well I shouldn't say hidden but you could find a gun young player for 15mill pounds from Europe or Sth America that might be worth 40 by end of year.
3 or 4 hits like this in transfer window can transform a clubs season. Just as buying someone for 50mill then having to sell for 15mill does for a big club like Man U.
I'd suggest Man U isn't weaker just based on spending money but on the fact that there is 19 other clubs who have far better purchasing power then they did 15yrs ago so the competition is far stronger.
I mean 15yrs ago Australia sides every player was playing in the top leagues. Now do we even have one? Football across the globe has improved heaps. It's a lot harder now to make it in the EPL

 

[Twizzle]

But they won the Spanish league in 2023

so what

they didn't in 24 and wont in 25 either

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ran out of resources

 

[Twizzle]

Ran out of resources

well yeah, that was the point I was making

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Me too. Clubs avoid going broke by spending sustainably, so just winning competitions doesn’t demonstrate good management.

 

[Twizzle]

Me too. Clubs avoid going broke by spending sustainably, so just winning competitions doesn’t demonstrate good management.

winning competitions is good management, isn't that what they are supposed to be doing ?

overspending on duds is what got them into this situation, Olmo is not the life saver they need, they really have made some poor signing decisions, and they pay ridiculous signing fees and wages

you cant make a generalization like that and apply it to every club, different clubs have different business models

 

[Poupou Escobar]

winning competitions is good management, isn't that what they are supposed to be doing ?

Not if they can't afford it.

overspending on duds is what got them into this situation, Olmo is not the life saver they need, they really have made some poor signing decisions, and they pay ridiculous signing fees and wages

They are competing with Real Madrid ffs. They can't keep borrowing forever. They could've admitted defeat and they wouldn't have gone broke. But they also wouldn't have won la Liga 18 months ago. Was it worth the cost?

you cant make a generalization like that and apply it to every club, different clubs have different business models

They all have different credit limits, that's all. In the end they can only handle repayments that are less than their revenue.

 

[Twizzle]

Not if they can't afford it.

They are competing with Real Madrid ffs. They can't keep borrowing forever. They could've admitted defeat and they wouldn't have gone broke. But they also wouldn't have won la Liga 18 months ago. Was it worth the cost?

They all have different credit limits, that's all. In the end they can only handle repayments that are less than their revenue.

they aim to win LL so they can win their money back, yeah that business model doesn't always work

admitting defeat just means they come second which is hardly defeat, although it may be for them, they can still win UCL though, that's why they have so many revenue streams

your last comment basically says what I said, different business models

LL will always be between Real and Barca with Athletico bobbing up occasionally, hard to compete against the sovereignty which has endless pockets