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Twizzle

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You said he was safe no matter what a couple of weeks back.... I dunno what to believe anymore....

he was, that was a couple of weeks ago, you want a lifetime guarantee for every post ?

most fans want to keep him but Levy will sack a coach a year if they don't win shit, it's what he does
 

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I posted this morning that our starting 11 was good enough to beat Leicester and we should have won, I got slated as we are playing the same players every 3 days and they play 90 mins each, mostly. They don't train as all they do it recover (we're up to 14 players unavailable now and Richy looks like he may be added to the list), so I was told I was wrong as I wasn't looking at the big picture.

We went to Hoffenheim Thursday night and played the same players this morning after traveling back home 2 days ago. I don't care if Ange stays or goes, I would just like to win a game.

Here's an idea of what the local Spurs fans think.

Sorry gonna get more -ve reps for this but still gotta say it.

Just watched Ange's interview and I think it makes even more sense to keep him.

He spoke like he expected his job to go. Basically he said:

1) Credit to the players for their full effort.
2) Injury problems will ease and theres still things left to win
3) Acknowledged that results have not been good enough and many want him gone

I like him. He didn't throw the players and the club under the bus like his predecessors. He took responsibility and admitted vulnerability. As a player, he seems like someone you can trust.

I think the camaraderie built during this tough period might be worth the risk of keeping him on.
A rare bit of optimism from me.
 

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he was, that was a couple of weeks ago, you want a lifetime guarantee for every post ?

most fans want to keep him but Levy will sack a coach a year if they don't win shit, it's what he does
So when you said "Ange is safe no matter what happens" on 9 January in response to KingGutho94's post that day saying Ange is "probably safe until next season" after winning the first leg of the League Cup, you reckon you only meant for that time there and then?? Or maybe 2 days from that point? 1 week? The way it reads is you were asserting he was not going to be sacked regardless of second leg Cup semi final result nor other results...
 

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So when you said "Ange is safe no matter what happens" on 9 January in response to KingGutho94's post that day saying Ange is "probably safe until next season" after winning the first leg of the League Cup, you reckon you only meant for that time there and then?? Or maybe 2 days from that point? 1 week? The way it reads is you were asserting he was not going to be sacked regardless of second leg Cup semi final result nor other results...

hmmmm...................................this really bothers you for some reason doesn't it?

third world problems, he hasn't been sacked so if it makes you feel better, then I was right

will that help you sleep tonight ?
 

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hmmmm...................................this really bothers you for some reason doesn't it?

third world problems, he hasn't been sacked so if it makes you feel better, then I was right

will that help you sleep tonight ?
Lol. You really haven't grasped the whole "first/third world problems" phraseology yet have you?!
 

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Lol. You really haven't grasped the whole "first/third world problems" phraseology yet have you?!

you seem to want to be outraged about something, phraseology praytell?

it's not because our rag and bone team beat your lot in the first leg of the cup is it ?
 

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Coach blamers gonne blame coaches.

I still can't believe the amount of support he is getting, a lot of the poms didn't want an Aussie in charge in the first place as apparently we know nothing about footy, but his entertaining style has won a lot of them over

I'm losing faith as we should not have lost to Leicester but that's just my opinion but I cant fathom just how fatigued the entire team is as I've never been in their situation, we had one player pull out this morning (Sarr) but he was told he had to play cuz there were no more senior players available and he contributed nothing.

With the amount of shit Spurs are in the moment and 1 week to go in the transfer window, Levy has not bought 1 single f**king player in to help Ange out, but that's Spurs.
 

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you seem to want to be outraged about something, phraseology praytell?

it's not because our rag and bone team beat your lot in the first leg of the cup is it ?
My ideal scenario for the rest of the season is Liverpool win the League, the CL would be great to add to it.... And Spurs win the League Cup with Ange still there when they do...
 

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A Good summary of Ange's issues at Spurs.

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Who's to blame for Tottenham's free fall?​

There are two main problems with Tottenham's season, which looked so promising in
November and has since completely fallen apart. Well, three problems. The first: It's late January, they're one of the 10 richest teams in the world and they're only in 15th place in their own domestic league. But there are then two reasons that first problem exists.

The first: everyone is hurt. We'll run through it from back to front. Last season, Guglielmo Vicario was one of the better shot-stoppers in the league, and he played every single minute in his first year in the Premier League. This season: He has played only 54.5% of the minutes, and that number is only going to decrease thanks to an extended spell on the sidelines with an ankle injury.

One way you might be able to face playing with a backup goalkeeper for half the season would be with excellent and consistent play from your center backs. Instead, both of Tottenham's first-choice center backs have played even fewer minutes than Vicario. Cristian Romero played 81.6% of the minutes last season; this season he's down to 49.2%. Romero's partner, Micky van de Ven, has dropped from 68.4% of the minutes last season to 39.8% this season.

OK, fine, but maybe you can scrape just enough performances together with a makeshift keeper-center back triangle if you've got some ground-eating, ball-dominating midfielders in front of them? Well, uh, Tottenham's two holding midfielders, Yves Bissouma and Rodrigo Bentancur, have each played fewer than half of the available minutes, too: 48.9% and 34.7%.

All right, sure, but everything that happens elsewhere on the field is at best poorly understood and at worst magic. Elite attacking play can make up for lackluster midfield and defensive performances, right? Just look at Liverpool during that 2020-21 season! So, Liverpool had Mohamed Salah, Sadio Mané, Roberto Firmino and Diogo Jota. Spurs have Brennan Johnson (75.4%), 32-year-old Son Heung-Min (71.0%) and Dominic Solanke (80.7%). Johnson and Solanke have, at most, two combined seasons of high-level Premier League performance between them, while Son, still the team's best attacker, has played significantly fewer minutes this season than last (85.8%).

Despite all of that, this Spurs team still shouldn't be in 15th. There's probably not even anyone in Australia who would claim that the level of available talent at Tottenham is the 15th best in the league. And so, even with the injuries, doesn't that mean manager Ange Postecoglou's job should be on the line?

Perhaps if they were actually playing like the 15th-best team in the league. And that brings us to the second problem with Tottenham's season: Over a sample of 20 or more games, we know that sometimes performances still don't equal results. The best predictor of actual team strength is a blend of about 70% expected goals and 30% actual goals. And by that, Spurs have been significantly better than the 15th-best team in the league.

You've got Liverpool in their own tier at the top, Arsenal in their own tier in second, and then a third tier with Chelsea, Bournemouth, Manchester City and Newcastle. Coming into the season, the second tier was Tottenham's best-case scenario -- instead, they've had a massive injury crisis and fallen down into the third tier. That's been obscured by some freak luck in close matches, but should we really be expecting much more than that?

This isn't to say that Postecoglou has been perfect or even above average. The talent is performing at its level -- not above it. And it'd be naive to call all of these injuries bad luck. Per PFF FC, this team covers more ground per match than every team other than Bournemouth, who are currently going through their own injury crisis. Postecoglou's preferred playing style is almost definitely playing into Tottenham's personnel problems.

But you can't blame all of that on him, and part of the reason you hire someone like Postecoglou in the first place is that his aggressive, high-intensity approach can produce high-variance results from season to season.

If there are behind-the-scenes issues with training techniques and you think you can hire a similar coach who won't run the risk of running his players into the ground, then sure, maybe you move on. But if you're judging Postecoglou based purely on the team's performance this season, that would be foolish. You still don't know what level this roster can reach with him as the coach because, based on minutes played, he has been able to use only about 60% of the players who get paid to play for Tottenham.
 

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It misses some important other factors like we're still in all the cups so we're playing every 3 or 4 days with the same senior players and most are playing 90 minutes, this is a big factor in our poor form, we just don't recuperate.

That article also makes no mention of Levy/Enic and the big issue of lack of squad depth.

Now we have Maddison out for about 3 weeks so I think we're up to 15 injured/unavailable and won't have 11 senior players for the Europa game on Thursday.
 

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