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Bandwagon

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We have a housing shortage. We have rising rent crisis. They are adding fuel to the fire by bringing in 450k new people. Build the hosues/units first then bring them in.

Who's gonna build them mate?

Seriously. Every man and his dog is crying out for labour, it's probably the only time in the last few decades where there is a genuine labour shortage.
 

Bandwagon

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No there were articles it's just what side you support how you see these articles.

Yep I don't expect 1 guy to fix all the issues go visit China and fix the trades

Yeah, I don't recall any Airbus Abbott or Skyways Scotty monikers being thrown about.
 

Gronk

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It does as you look at things differently from people that don't care about both sides.

Hence your responses to the not seeing any articles on Scomo flying around in his first years.
There is a lot of media about from the usual suspects pushing the barrow for the coalition and the liberal squaddies are picking up those talking points. So yes, if you focus on the Fin Review, Telegraph. Australian, Herald Sun and Courier Mail, then it will be cut n paste disaster.

There IS other news out there however.

What you might have missed in all the focus on stubborn inflation, and interest rates once again heading higher, is that there is actually quite a lot of good news in the economy at the moment (unless you are an economist — who notoriously always sound like they want it to be worse).

We haven't had a recession — which had been a concern 12 months ago. What's more, the Statement on Monetary Policy — the Reserve Bank's quarterly economic assessment of where things are up to — released on Friday is heralding a stronger economy than had been previously expected. It's hardly a roaring economy — but more resilient than forecasters expected.

Similarly, the labour market has been holding up: absorbing the migrants whose arrival has helped keep the economy ticking over as well as generating enough jobs so that people being financially squeezed can get second jobs to help keep them afloat.

It reads .....

"Inflation in Australia has passed its peak but is still too high and is proving more persistent than expected a few months ago. CPI inflation remains above 5 per cent in year-ended terms – well above the Bank’s inflation target of 2–3 per cent. Underlying inflation is higher than was expected at the time of the August Statement on Monetary Policy. While goods price inflation has continued to moderate largely as expected, the prices of many services are rising briskly. Services price inflation reflects primarily domestically sourced costs for labour and non-labour inputs and demand pressures; services price inflation in many other advanced economies has been slow to decline. Consistent with the signal from inflation, recent indicators of activity also point to growth in the economy having been a bit stronger this year than had been expected.

The economy has been growing below trend this year, as it has slowed in response to high inflation and the cumulative increase in interest rates. In particular, cost-of-living pressures have weighed on people’s real incomes and, consequently, growth in household consumption has been weak. Even so, output growth this year has had a bit more momentum than was expected three months ago, which is partly the result of stronger-than-expected growth in population, as well as more strength in the growth of private and public investment. Business investment and public demand are expected to continue to contribute to output growth in coming quarters, supported by strong population growth, an easing in supply constraints and a large pipeline of projects, including for public infrastructure.

A period of below-trend growth in the economy is helping to achieve a better balance between the level of demand and supply, which will help to reduce inflation further over time. Output growth is expected to remain below trend over 2023 and 2024, but the outlook over the next year has been revised higher compared with three months ago, consistent with lingering demand pressures in the economy. Inflation is expected to decline more gradually than previously forecast. Inflation is forecast to decline to around 3½ per cent by the end of 2024 and to reach a little below 3 per cent at the end of 2025."

As for all this wah wah Albanese stuff, well he got the keys in May 2022. Inflation was trending up and was circa 6% when he moved in. It's now 5 point something and the reserve bank say that it's tracking to be back to 3.5% by end 2024. Yes, wars may change that, but f**k.

Anyway the take away from this is that the squaddies from both sides are full of shit. As someone famous once said, it's never as bad as they say and probably not as good either.

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JokerEel

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There is a lot of media about from the usual suspects pushing the barrow for the coalition and the liberal squaddies are picking up those talking points. So yes, if you focus on the Fin Review, Telegraph. Australian, Herald Sun and Courier Mail, then it will be cut n paste disaster.

There IS other news out there however.

What you might have missed in all the focus on stubborn inflation, and interest rates once again heading higher, is that there is actually quite a lot of good news in the economy at the moment (unless you are an economist — who notoriously always sound like they want it to be worse).

We haven't had a recession — which had been a concern 12 months ago. What's more, the Statement on Monetary Policy — the Reserve Bank's quarterly economic assessment of where things are up to — released on Friday is heralding a stronger economy than had been previously expected. It's hardly a roaring economy — but more resilient than forecasters expected.

Similarly, the labour market has been holding up: absorbing the migrants whose arrival has helped keep the economy ticking over as well as generating enough jobs so that people being financially squeezed can get second jobs to help keep them afloat.

It reads .....

"Inflation in Australia has passed its peak but is still too high and is proving more persistent than expected a few months ago. CPI inflation remains above 5 per cent in year-ended terms – well above the Bank’s inflation target of 2–3 per cent. Underlying inflation is higher than was expected at the time of the August Statement on Monetary Policy. While goods price inflation has continued to moderate largely as expected, the prices of many services are rising briskly. Services price inflation reflects primarily domestically sourced costs for labour and non-labour inputs and demand pressures; services price inflation in many other advanced economies has been slow to decline. Consistent with the signal from inflation, recent indicators of activity also point to growth in the economy having been a bit stronger this year than had been expected.

The economy has been growing below trend this year, as it has slowed in response to high inflation and the cumulative increase in interest rates. In particular, cost-of-living pressures have weighed on people’s real incomes and, consequently, growth in household consumption has been weak. Even so, output growth this year has had a bit more momentum than was expected three months ago, which is partly the result of stronger-than-expected growth in population, as well as more strength in the growth of private and public investment. Business investment and public demand are expected to continue to contribute to output growth in coming quarters, supported by strong population growth, an easing in supply constraints and a large pipeline of projects, including for public infrastructure.

A period of below-trend growth in the economy is helping to achieve a better balance between the level of demand and supply, which will help to reduce inflation further over time. Output growth is expected to remain below trend over 2023 and 2024, but the outlook over the next year has been revised higher compared with three months ago, consistent with lingering demand pressures in the economy. Inflation is expected to decline more gradually than previously forecast. Inflation is forecast to decline to around 3½ per cent by the end of 2024 and to reach a little below 3 per cent at the end of 2025."

As for all this wah wah Albanese stuff, well he got the keys in May 2022. Inflation was trending up and was circa 6% when he moved in. It's now 5 point something and the reserve bank say that it's tracking to be back to 3.5% by end 2024. Yes, wars may change that, but f**k.

Anyway the take away from this is that the squaddies from both sides are full of shit. As as someone famous once said, it's never as bad as they say and probably not as good either.

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It doesn't matter who is in charge we were always on the up as you posted.

But it depends on what side of the fence you sit who is to blame.
 

Bandwagon

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It doesn't matter who is in charge we were always on the up as you posted.
Absolutely...

But it depends on what side of the fence you sit who is to blame.

If the first is true, then at least for a given period, you'd have to attribute responsibility to the government that set that path, that is literally the only logical conclusion.

Where it is debatable is how long that given period should be, and then even harder how much difference has been made to that trajectory with the policies enacted since?

So the previous government is 100% responsible for the trajectory the current government inherited, and the current government is 100% responsible for changes to that trajectory as opposed to what they otherwise would have been.
 

Eelogical

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I voted for Albo. Never again
Haha! Nothing changes, mate. I can categorically state that after 50 years of voting it doesn't really matter which party is in power( I have swung both ways, metaphorically speaking. Of course both parties have achieved outcomes for the country over a significant time span, but in reality most merkins are disillusioned with the talking heads, especially these days. Covid really did a number on the trough snouters credibility and I would go as far to say that the public have not recovered from that when considering their best options.
 

Bandwagon

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I voted for Albo. Never again

If there was an election tomorrow you'd have three choices.

Either the blokes who haven't fixed the mess in 18 odd months, or the blokes who took nine years odd to make the mess.

Or draw a cock and balls on your ballot.
 

Eelogical

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If there was an election tomorrow you'd have three choices.

Either the blokes who haven't fixed the mess in 18 odd months, or the blokes who took nine years odd to make the mess.

Or draw a cock and balls on your ballot.
In all honesty, none of these options make me feel refulgent.
 

strider

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It's funny, 'cause both Abbott and Scotty made more trips to more countries in their first 12 months of office, yet not a peep from the usual suspects.....................

Well someone got something wrong .... whatever merkin updated wikipedia seems to have 18 trips/countries for Albo The Great in the first 12 months ... and another 12 since May this year ... i wonder why the tweeter stopped at 12 months?

Maybe wiki has it wrong? Though at least they have a list - i guess someone could check.

So what to believe? A list updated by a random on wikipedia, or a random virtue signaller on twitter?

 
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Bandwagon

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Well someone got something wrong .... whatever merkin updated wikipedia seems to have 18 countries for Albo The Great in the first 12 months ... and another 12 since May this year ... i wonder why the tweeter stopped at 12 months?

Maybe wiki has it wrong? Though at least they have a list - i guess someone could check.

So what to believe? A list updated by a random on wikipedia, or a random virtue signaller on twitter?


Could it be both are correct?

As per that wiki list, some trips encompassed several countries on the one trip, whilst a few were visited more than once.

Regardless the point is it's a dumb as dogshit thing to complain about, it's an important part of the job.
 

strider

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Could it be both are correct?

As per that wiki list, some trips encompassed several countries on the one trip, whilst a few were visited more than once.
Yes its fun twisting numbers to try and make people think something you want them to. The tweeter did a good job.
Regardless the point is it's a dumb as dogshit thing to complain about, it's an important part of the job.
I thought the point was to compare to Tony and Scott to make it look like they did more.

But yes, kissing arse is an important part of the job and Albo is excelling.
 

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