OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[King-Gutho94]

Actually this has some merit. Maybe make these double demerits weekends for roads over 80kms perhaps.

I wouldnt have a problem with that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That’s a sneaky diversion.

Go on, what about his son ? He’s a loose unit. What’s that got to do with Dad ?

You want to do this is your life ?

“The Real White House Crime Family”: Dem Rep. Tells the GOP to Stop Wasting Time With Hunter Biden and Subpoena Jared Kushner

“Why did Saudi Arabia give Jared Kushner $2 billion—billion with a b—just months after he left the Trump White House?”

www.vanityfair.com

The difference is nobody voted for Trump because they thought he was a good bloke. Merkins wanting a ‘presidential’ president were inclined toward Biden - the whole reason the Democrats picked an old white man. ‘Presidential’ men don’t have shitbag sons and Biden’s lad was a huge threat to the Dems’ chances. That's why the media squashed the story.

 

[Gary Gutful]

The difference is nobody voted for Trump because they thought he was a good bloke. Merkins wanting a ‘presidential’ president were inclined toward Biden - the whole reason the Democrats picked an old white man. ‘Presidential’ men don’t have shitbag sons and Biden’s lad was a huge threat to the Dems’ chances. That's why the media squashed the story.

The media is partisan. Fox et al. were straining a gonad to tell the story.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well at least you used the word fact in a sentence.

So basically instead you prefer to lean on the pub test, viz; rumour and innuendo to prove your point.

Everyone at the pub agrees with my conspiracy theory, so it must be true.

Maybe your pub is the Mangrove Mountain Tavern.

I can see when a narrative is being pushed. I can see when the judicial system is being politicised. It is straight out of the authoritarian playbook. There has never been an insurrection with zero shots fired by the insurrectionists.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The media is partisan. Fox et al. were straining a gonad to tell the story.

Is there an ‘et al’? The US MSM is left wing. On the right there’s only Fox and NY Post with any reach.

 

[Gronk]

I can see when a narrative is being pushed. I can see when the judicial system is being politicised. It is straight out of the authoritarian playbook. There has never been an insurrection with zero shots fired by the insurrectionists.

Ah, so an unsuccessful insurrection is not an insurrection ? May we call it a failed rebellion ? An attempted uprising?

Does that make you feel better ?

 

[Twizzle]

The difference is nobody voted for Trump because they thought he was a good bloke.

ffs Pooh Bear

 

[strider]

Focus. The allegation is that he got someone sacked to save his boy.
But all you have is sarcasm and mud throwing ? This was investigated in 2019. Who was POTUS then ? Yet you say that it magically went away ?


We know that countries like Ukraine are able to be influence or bought.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/12/i-would-like-you-to-do-us-a-favor-the-30-minute-phone-call-that-changed-trumps-presidency.html

It was the "perfect" phone call that got him impeached. Well' his first one anyway.

President Donald Trump and Impeachable Offenses

www.law.cornell.edu

Transcript

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

It's not a fixation - I have mentioned it twice.

He's not the only dodgy merkin. For the guy who only hires the best people ... so far there are literally a dozen people who were on his team who have gone to jail.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/many-trumps-orbit-have-faced-criminal-charges-2023-02-16/

What difference does it make if trump was president at the time that a bunch of people decided what Biden did was ok? Do you think the president controls everything? ...... if Biden is any yardstick, id say presidents can control literally nothing.

The Dems had the numbers back then .... and half the Republicans dont luke Trump either .... and it seems pretty clear the security state in the USA is currently pro Biden ..... cos he is the currently appointed puppet of the people who want to be in control. The people who are desperate to not have Trump be in control cos he wont do all they want. The people who are the donors of nearly all the politicians who will protect the funding.

And im more than happy to say Trump is also a dodgy f**ker whose primary motive is to serve himself and his ego. .... im just not dumb enough to believe those desperately trying to take him down at any cost are good and wholesome.

 

[Gronk]

https://nymag.com/ do stuff differently.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ah, so an unsuccessful insurrection is not an insurrection ? May we call it a failed rebellion ? An attempted uprising?

Does that make you feel better ?

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That’s the point isn’t it? It’s a matter of perception. Physicists won’t be deciding this debate. But a failed insurrection would first need to be an attempted insurrection. More cops were killed by BLM than the Capitol rioters.

 

[Gronk]

That’s the point isn’t it? It’s a matter of perception. Physicists won’t be deciding this debate. But a failed insurrection would first need to be an attempted insurrection. More cops were killed by BLM than the Capitol rioters.

No, the label is perception. What was happening at Capital Hill was abundantly clear.

They were seeking to stop or stall the transition of power. Worse, the guy who would not obey MAGA, VP Mike Pence, was in their sights.

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“Mark had responded something to the effect of, ‘You heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.'”​

Some of Trump’s supporters were calling for Pence to be hanged for refusing to illegally overturn the election results. Trump, apparently, agreed with them.

Former Mark Meadows aide Cassidy Hutchinson explained to investigators that when former White House Counsel Pat Cippollone said they needed to do something because people were calling for Pence to be “f**king hung,” Meadows said Trump didn’t care..


The threats against Pence also didn’t stop Trump from bashing him on Twitter as the rioters stormed the Capitol. “The situation was already bad. It felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that,” Sarah Matthews, a former aide to Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany, told the committee.

A White House security officer, whose anonymity was protected by the committee for his safety, testified that members of Pence’s security detail, fearing for their own lives, went so far as to call their families to say goodbye during the riot.

“You’re the commander in chief. You’ve got an assault going on on the Capitol of the United States of America, and there’s nothing? No call? Nothing? Zero?”​

Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, was perplexed by how Trump handled the riot, telling the committee he was in disbelief that he didn’t take any action as the assault unfolded.

Several witnesses close to the former president testified that he was merely watching the attack on TV while rebuffing calls from advisers to do something about it. When former White House Counsel Pat Cippollone said he wasn’t aware of Trump calling the secretary of Defense, the attorney general, or the DHS secretary. Gen. Keith Kellogg, Pence’s former national security adviser, said he didn’t hear Trump ask for the National Guard or for any sort of law enforcement response. Nick Luna, a former assistant to the president, also said he wasn’t aware of Trump making any such outreach.

One-hundred and eighty seven minutes — over three hours — elapsed between the end of Trump’s speech at the Ellipse and when he finally tweeted for his supporter who had been ransacking the Capitol to “go home.” He’s since promised to pardon all of them who’ve been convicted for their role in the attack should he be elected in 2024.

The Most Damning Things Jan. 6 Witnesses Have Said About Trump

The Jan. 6 committee has interviewed over 1,000 witnesses. Here are the most damning things they've said about former President Donald Trump.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, was perplexed by how Trump handled the riot, telling the committee he was in disbelief that he didn’t take any action as the assault unfolded.

Why the f**k should he? Democrats allowed BLM to undermine his presidency for months. Why should he care if his own crackhead deadshits made it hard for the Dems for a few hours?

 

[the phantom menace]

Why the f**k should he? Democrats allowed BLM to undermine his presidency for months. Why should he care if his own crackhead deadshits made it hard for the Dems for a few hours?

Not sure if serious?

Trump's presidency was somehow "allowed" to be undermined by others... but Trump was still president at the time of the insurrection, no?

And you can't understand why he shouldn't have taken action... what's your view on the Cronulla riots?

 

[Gronk]

Why the f**k should he? Democrats allowed BLM to undermine his presidency for months. Why should he care if his own crackhead deadshits made it hard for the Dems for a few hours?

You will have to ask @GeneralMarkMilley because that’s who you just quoted, not me.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Come on @GeneralMarkMilley, hurry up and answer the question FFS!

 

[Gronk]

Come on @GeneralMarkMilley, hurry up and answer the question FFS!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You will have to ask @GeneralMarkMilley because that’s who you just quoted, not me.

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You're the one who chose to quote him.

 

[Gronk]

You're the one who chose to quote him.

No I quoted an article from Vanity Fair or Rolling Stone. The quotes are originally transcripts from the Jan 6 hearings.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Maybe Trump forced you to post it here? He is very powerful.

 

[hindy111]

No I quoted an article from Vanity Fair or Rolling Stone. The quotes are originally transcripts from the Jan 6 hearings.

Do you have a job?