OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Bandwagon]

you probably should do some research and provide sources before posting nonsense like this

To be fair it's what all the mainstream press is running with this morning, it's almost as if they want to manufacture consent for the Donald.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

you probably should do some research and provide sources before posting nonsense like this

Why is it nonsense?

I think every point I’ve made is reasonable.

If you want to argue about it, go ahead.

Biden is as dodgy as trump.

With his son's pardon, Joe Biden cedes the moral high ground and plays into Donald Trump's hands - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

 

[Bandwagon]

We get it mate we shouldn't feel anything unless you feel the same way.. its how you lefties are

Whatever mate, but seriously, why would I give a flying f**k how you feel?

 

[JokerEel]

Whatever mate, but seriously, why would I give a flying f**k how you feel?

Probably should ask yourself that..

 

[Bandwagon]

Probably should ask yourself that..

No need, I'm good mate. You?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

current counting for popular votes appears to be
Harris 74.45m (48.8%)
Trump 76.9m (50%)

MI, WI neither candidate got 50%. PA, GA about 100k votes difference
how much closer did you want it to be "neck and neck"?

Electoral college votes, Harris got smashed into the next world.

And forigive me but I thought that’s the vote that’s count.

312 v 216 is not close is it?

You can spin it anyway you want.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

It's amazing that Trump has never thought of doing this before.

Joseph M. Arpaio - August 25, 2017 Kristian Mark Saucier - March 9, 2018 I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby - April 13, 2018 John Arthur (Jack) Johnson - May 24, 2018 Dinesh D'Souza - May 31, 2018 Dwight Lincoln Hammond Jr. - July 10, 2018 Steven Dwight Hammond - October 7, 2015 Michael Chase Behenna - May 6, 2019 Conrad Moffat Black - May 15, 2019 Patrick James Nolan - May 15, 2019 John Richard Bubala - July 29, 2019 Roy Wayne McKeever - July 29, 2019 Rodney Masaru Takumi - July 29, 2019 Michael Anthony Tedesco - July 29, 2019 Chalmer Lee Williams - July 29, 2019 Zay Jeffries - October 10, 2019 Mathew L. Golsteyn - November 15, 2019 Clint Lorance - November 15, 2019 Edward J. DeBartolo Jr. - February 18, 2020 Michael Milken - February 18, 2020 Angela Ronae Stanton (Angela Stanton-King) - February 18, 2020 Ariel Manuel Friedler - February 18, 2020 David Hossein Safavian - February 18, 2020 Paul Pogue - February 18, 2020 Bernard Kerik - February 18, 2020 Susan B. Anthony - February 18, 2020 Jon Donyae Ponder - August 25, 2020 Alice Marie Johnson - August 28, 2020 Michael T. Flynn - November 25, 2020 George Papadopoulos - December 22, 2020 Alex van der Zwaan - December 22, 2020 Duncan D. Hunter - December 22, 2020 Christopher Carl Collins - December 22, 2020 Nicholas Abram Slatten - December 22, 2020 Paul Alvin Slough - December 22, 2020 Evan Shawn Liberty - December 22, 2020 Dustin Laurent Heard - December 22, 2020 Ignacio Ramos - December 22, 2020 Jose Compean - December 22, 2020 Alfred Lee Crum - December 22, 2020 Alfonso Antonio Costa - December 22, 2020 Weldon Hal Angelos - December 22, 2020 Phillip Kay Lyman - December 22, 2020 Otis Gordon - December 22, 2020 Margaret E. Hunter - December 23, 2020 Charles Kushner - December 23, 2020 Roger Stone - December 23, 2020 Paul J. Manafort - December 23, 2020 James J. Kassouf - December 23, 2020 Mary McCarty - December 23, 2020 Christopher Wade - December 23, 2020 Christopher II X (Christopher Anthony Bryant) - December 23, 2020 Cesar Agusto Lozada - December 23, 2020 Joseph Martin Stephens - December 23, 2020 Andrew Barron Worden - December 23, 2020 Robert Coughlin - December 23, 2020 John Boultbee - December 23, 2020 Peter Y. Atkinson - December 23, 2020 Joseph Occhipinti - December 23, 2020 Rebekah Kay Charleston - December 23, 2020 Rickey Ivan Kanter - December 23, 2020 Topeka Kimberly Sam - December 23, 2020 James Harutun Batmasian - December 23, 2020 William Plemons - December 23, 2020 Russell Plaisance - December 23, 2020 Mark Siljander - December 23, 2020 Stephanie Christine Mohr - December 23, 2020 Gary Mark Brugman - December 23, 2020 John Frederick Tate - December 23, 2020 Jesse R. Benton - December 23, 2020 Lynn Wade Barney - January 13, 2021 Paul L. Behrens - January 13, 2021 Thaddeus M. S. Bereday - January 13, 2021 Peter E. Clay - January 13, 2021 Scott Conor Crosby - January 13, 2021 Randall Harold "Duke" Cunningham - January 13, 2021 Paul Erickson - January 13, 2021 Todd S. Farha - January 13, 2021 Thomas K. (Ken) Ford - January 13, 2021 Jessica Jean Frease aka Jessica Jean Armstrong - January 13, 2021 Robert Cannon Hayes - January 13, 2021 Gregory L. Jorgensen - January 13, 2021 Deborah L. Jorgensen - January 13, 2021 Martin Frederick Jorgensen - January 13, 2021 William L. Kale - January 13, 2021 Frederick J. Nahas - January 13, 2021 John Michael Nystrom - January 13, 2021 Amy Ralston Povah - January 13, 2021 David Francis Rowland - January 13, 2021 Joshua James Smith - January 13, 2021 David Tamman - January 13, 2021 Alex Adjmi - January 19, 2021 Fred Keith Alford - January 19, 2021 Mahmoud Reza Banki - January 19, 2021 Stephen Bannon - January 19, 2021 Faustino Bernadett - January 19, 2021 Carl Andrew Boggs, III - January 19, 2021 Todd Boulanger - January 19, 2021 Robert Douglas Bowker - January 19, 2021 Elliott Broidy - January 19, 2021 Drew Kallman "Bo" Brownstein - January 19, 2021 Tommaso Buti - January 19, 2021 Dwayne Michael Carter Jr. (Lil Wayne) - January 19, 2021 Robert William Cawthon - January 19, 2021 David Lamar Clanton - January 19, 2021 Jeffrey Alan Conway - January 19, 2021 Robert S. Corkern - January 19, 2021 Steven Benjamin Floyd - January 19, 2021 Duncan Fordham - January 19, 2021 Clarence Olin Freeman - January 19, 2021 George Gilmore - January 19, 2021 Steven Samuel Grantham - January 19, 2021 Joey Murray Hancock - January 19, 2021 Wesley Scott Harkonen Jr. - January 19, 2021 James Austin Hayes, IV - January 19, 2021 Gary E. Hendler - January 19, 2021 William E. "Ed" Henry - January 19, 2021 Abel Holtz - January 19, 2021 Douglas Jemal - January 19, 2021 James E. Johnson Jr. - January 19, 2021 Amir B. Khan - January 19, 2021 Kenneth Kurson aka Jayden Wagner, Eddie Train - January 19, 2021 Anthony Scott Levandowski - January 19, 2021 Michael A. Liberty - January 19, 2021 Brian Lyle McSwain - January 19, 2021 Hal Knudson Mergler - January 19, 2021 David Eugene Miller - January 19, 2021 Glen Moss - January 19, 2021 Hillel "Helly" Nahmad - January 19, 2021 Stephen Odzer aka Harold J. Odzer - January 19, 2021 Benedict Guthrie Olberding - January 19, 2021 Eric Wesley Patton - January 19, 2021 Desiree Perez fka Desiree Reynoso - January 19, 2021 Johnny D. Phillips Jr. - January 19, 2021 Richard George (Rick) Renzi - January 19, 2021 Gregory Louis Reyes - January 19, 2021 Aviem Sella - January 20, 2021 Robert C. Sherrill - January 19, 2021 Syrita Rashida Steib-Martin - January 19, 2021 Patrick Lee Swisher - January 19, 2021 Casey Urlacher - January 19, 2021 John Harold Wall - January 19, 2021 Robert Zangrillo - January 19, 2021 Albert J. (Al) Pirro Jr. - January 20, 2021

Don’t see any trump kids, did I miss one?

It’s as ‘ken dodgy as it gets.

 

[Twizzle]

I think every point I’ve made is reasonable.

yet people posted sources showing you were wrong

 

[Gronk]

Electoral college votes, Harris got smashed into the next world.

And forigive me but I thought that’s the vote that’s count.

312 v 216 is not close is it?

You can spin it anyway you want.

No, actually you're spinning it. The EC means nothing to anyone who is talking stats. Case in point California.

The EC process means that it's winner takes all. So Harris took all 54 CA electoral college votes. Which is so dumb as it fails to truly represent what really happened in that state. Look at all the red, yet the standard map fails to acknowledge the Trump support whatsoever. You could find similar examples across the country for blue and red. Stupid system.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

yet people posted sources showing you were wrong

You should define my point first as I made a number of them.

I have sources too.

It was your assertion not theirs anyway.

 

[Twizzle]

You should define my point first as I made a number of them.

I have sources too.

It was your assertion not theirs anyway.

I did, if you have sources then post them or lose them.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

No, actually you're spinning it. The EC means nothing to anyone who is talking stats. Case in point California.

The EC process means that it's winner takes all. So Harris took all 54 CA electoral college votes. Which is so dumb as it fails to truly represent what really happened in that state. Look at all the red, yet the standard map fails to acknowledge the Trump support whatsoever. You could find similar examples across the country for blue and red. Stupid system.

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It doesn’t seem very close to me Gronky.

Have you had your eyesight checked for colour blindness recently buddy?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I did, if you have sources then post them or lose them.

You didn’t.

Please specify what you disagreed with and I will give you my sources.

If you don’t want me here, just tell me and I will go away.

 

[Gronk]

It doesn’t seem very close to me Gronky.

Have you had your eyesight checked for colour blindness recently buddy?

You've gone off on a tangent. You've lost me again.

 

[bazza]

Electoral college votes, Harris got smashed into the next world.

And forigive me but I thought that’s the vote that’s count.

312 v 216 is not close is it?

You can spin it anyway you want.

Harris's college votes were about the same as Trump when he lost in 2020 and Clinton when she lost in 2016
you can spin it anyway you want but it was a close contest as predicted by the lame stream media

 

[bazza]

No, actually you're spinning it. The EC means nothing to anyone who is talking stats. Case in point California.

The EC process means that it's winner takes all. So Harris took all 54 CA electoral college votes. Which is so dumb as it fails to truly represent what really happened in that state. Look at all the red, yet the standard map fails to acknowledge the Trump support whatsoever. You could find similar examples across the country for blue and red. Stupid system.

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If 100,000 people change their mind then Harris wins depending on where they live
That seems like a close contest to me

 

[strider]

Mmmmmm ....

Joe Biden’s pardon for Hunter defies historical comparison

Experts say there is little to no precedent for a pardon covering such a wide range of activity over such a long period.

www.smh.com.au

It’s one thing for a president to pardon his son. It’s another to do it like this.

President Joe Biden’s pardon of his son, Hunter Biden, on Monday (AEDT) is exceptional not just because of the pardon’s recipient – the closest family member to receive a pardon in history – but also for its sheer breadth, according to experts on presidential pardons.

Biden didn’t just pardon his son for his convictions on tax and gun charges, but for any “offences against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014, through December 1, 2024”.

That’s a nearly 11-year period during which any federal crime Hunter Biden might have committed – and there are none we are aware of beyond what has already been adjudicated – can’t be prosecuted. It notably covers when he was appointed to the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma in 2014 all the way through to Sunday, well after the crimes for which he was prosecuted.

Sleepy Joe might know something.

 

[JokerEel]

* No need, I'm good mate. You?

I doubt it

 

[strider]

It's amazing that Trump has never thought of doing this before.

Joseph M. Arpaio - August 25, 2017 Kristian Mark Saucier - March 9, 2018 I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby - April 13, 2018 John Arthur (Jack) Johnson - May 24, 2018 Dinesh D'Souza - May 31, 2018 Dwight Lincoln Hammond Jr. - July 10, 2018 Steven Dwight Hammond - October 7, 2015 Michael Chase Behenna - May 6, 2019 Conrad Moffat Black - May 15, 2019 Patrick James Nolan - May 15, 2019 John Richard Bubala - July 29, 2019 Roy Wayne McKeever - July 29, 2019 Rodney Masaru Takumi - July 29, 2019 Michael Anthony Tedesco - July 29, 2019 Chalmer Lee Williams - July 29, 2019 Zay Jeffries - October 10, 2019 Mathew L. Golsteyn - November 15, 2019 Clint Lorance - November 15, 2019 Edward J. DeBartolo Jr. - February 18, 2020 Michael Milken - February 18, 2020 Angela Ronae Stanton (Angela Stanton-King) - February 18, 2020 Ariel Manuel Friedler - February 18, 2020 David Hossein Safavian - February 18, 2020 Paul Pogue - February 18, 2020 Bernard Kerik - February 18, 2020 Susan B. Anthony - February 18, 2020 Jon Donyae Ponder - August 25, 2020 Alice Marie Johnson - August 28, 2020 Michael T. Flynn - November 25, 2020 George Papadopoulos - December 22, 2020 Alex van der Zwaan - December 22, 2020 Duncan D. Hunter - December 22, 2020 Christopher Carl Collins - December 22, 2020 Nicholas Abram Slatten - December 22, 2020 Paul Alvin Slough - December 22, 2020 Evan Shawn Liberty - December 22, 2020 Dustin Laurent Heard - December 22, 2020 Ignacio Ramos - December 22, 2020 Jose Compean - December 22, 2020 Alfred Lee Crum - December 22, 2020 Alfonso Antonio Costa - December 22, 2020 Weldon Hal Angelos - December 22, 2020 Phillip Kay Lyman - December 22, 2020 Otis Gordon - December 22, 2020 Margaret E. Hunter - December 23, 2020 Charles Kushner - December 23, 2020 Roger Stone - December 23, 2020 Paul J. Manafort - December 23, 2020 James J. Kassouf - December 23, 2020 Mary McCarty - December 23, 2020 Christopher Wade - December 23, 2020 Christopher II X (Christopher Anthony Bryant) - December 23, 2020 Cesar Agusto Lozada - December 23, 2020 Joseph Martin Stephens - December 23, 2020 Andrew Barron Worden - December 23, 2020 Robert Coughlin - December 23, 2020 John Boultbee - December 23, 2020 Peter Y. Atkinson - December 23, 2020 Joseph Occhipinti - December 23, 2020 Rebekah Kay Charleston - December 23, 2020 Rickey Ivan Kanter - December 23, 2020 Topeka Kimberly Sam - December 23, 2020 James Harutun Batmasian - December 23, 2020 William Plemons - December 23, 2020 Russell Plaisance - December 23, 2020 Mark Siljander - December 23, 2020 Stephanie Christine Mohr - December 23, 2020 Gary Mark Brugman - December 23, 2020 John Frederick Tate - December 23, 2020 Jesse R. Benton - December 23, 2020 Lynn Wade Barney - January 13, 2021 Paul L. Behrens - January 13, 2021 Thaddeus M. S. Bereday - January 13, 2021 Peter E. Clay - January 13, 2021 Scott Conor Crosby - January 13, 2021 Randall Harold "Duke" Cunningham - January 13, 2021 Paul Erickson - January 13, 2021 Todd S. Farha - January 13, 2021 Thomas K. (Ken) Ford - January 13, 2021 Jessica Jean Frease aka Jessica Jean Armstrong - January 13, 2021 Robert Cannon Hayes - January 13, 2021 Gregory L. Jorgensen - January 13, 2021 Deborah L. Jorgensen - January 13, 2021 Martin Frederick Jorgensen - January 13, 2021 William L. Kale - January 13, 2021 Frederick J. Nahas - January 13, 2021 John Michael Nystrom - January 13, 2021 Amy Ralston Povah - January 13, 2021 David Francis Rowland - January 13, 2021 Joshua James Smith - January 13, 2021 David Tamman - January 13, 2021 Alex Adjmi - January 19, 2021 Fred Keith Alford - January 19, 2021 Mahmoud Reza Banki - January 19, 2021 Stephen Bannon - January 19, 2021 Faustino Bernadett - January 19, 2021 Carl Andrew Boggs, III - January 19, 2021 Todd Boulanger - January 19, 2021 Robert Douglas Bowker - January 19, 2021 Elliott Broidy - January 19, 2021 Drew Kallman "Bo" Brownstein - January 19, 2021 Tommaso Buti - January 19, 2021 Dwayne Michael Carter Jr. (Lil Wayne) - January 19, 2021 Robert William Cawthon - January 19, 2021 David Lamar Clanton - January 19, 2021 Jeffrey Alan Conway - January 19, 2021 Robert S. Corkern - January 19, 2021 Steven Benjamin Floyd - January 19, 2021 Duncan Fordham - January 19, 2021 Clarence Olin Freeman - January 19, 2021 George Gilmore - January 19, 2021 Steven Samuel Grantham - January 19, 2021 Joey Murray Hancock - January 19, 2021 Wesley Scott Harkonen Jr. - January 19, 2021 James Austin Hayes, IV - January 19, 2021 Gary E. Hendler - January 19, 2021 William E. "Ed" Henry - January 19, 2021 Abel Holtz - January 19, 2021 Douglas Jemal - January 19, 2021 James E. Johnson Jr. - January 19, 2021 Amir B. Khan - January 19, 2021 Kenneth Kurson aka Jayden Wagner, Eddie Train - January 19, 2021 Anthony Scott Levandowski - January 19, 2021 Michael A. Liberty - January 19, 2021 Brian Lyle McSwain - January 19, 2021 Hal Knudson Mergler - January 19, 2021 David Eugene Miller - January 19, 2021 Glen Moss - January 19, 2021 Hillel "Helly" Nahmad - January 19, 2021 Stephen Odzer aka Harold J. Odzer - January 19, 2021 Benedict Guthrie Olberding - January 19, 2021 Eric Wesley Patton - January 19, 2021 Desiree Perez fka Desiree Reynoso - January 19, 2021 Johnny D. Phillips Jr. - January 19, 2021 Richard George (Rick) Renzi - January 19, 2021 Gregory Louis Reyes - January 19, 2021 Aviem Sella - January 20, 2021 Robert C. Sherrill - January 19, 2021 Syrita Rashida Steib-Martin - January 19, 2021 Patrick Lee Swisher - January 19, 2021 Casey Urlacher - January 19, 2021 John Harold Wall - January 19, 2021 Robert Zangrillo - January 19, 2021 Albert J. (Al) Pirro Jr. - January 20, 2021

Trump was apparently very restrained with pardons in his first term .... only the Bushes did less

According to this, Obama the Great did more

Trump used his clemency power sparingly despite a raft of late pardons and commutations

Only two other presidents since 1900 – George W. and George H.W. Bush – granted fewer acts of clemency than Trump.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[JokerEel]

Back to first world problems please...

https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/billionaire-couple-paul-zara-holmes-a-court-secure-major-win-in-fight-to-purge-peppermint-tree-from-201m-waterfront-mansion/news-story/eb8e04920aa3f3b2791432d8e8e3178c