OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Comfy]

Can you make me more comfy?

sure

 

[Comfy]

I just had a very filling and delicious Malaysian meal... As we know, Malaysia is a (gasp!) Islamic country - but I'm just thankful to the immigrants and refugees from Malaysia who've chosen to come and contribute to our country, and without whom we couldn't enjoy such cultural food delights.

(And yes Venge, I have been there - and even travelled through I think six states of Malaysia, without issue with the religion or the people.)

Malay food is amazing, glad we have diverse cultures in syd

 

[Comfy]

Albo joining with all the sensible leaders of the world... and squeezing out any of Dutton's potential "rebel" appeal in the process.

Albanese backs Ukraine after Trump’s catastrophic meeting with Zelensky

The Australian prime minister has joined other world leaders in rallying behind the Ukrainian president after an angry confrontation with the US president in the Oval Office.

www.smh.com.au

This should be a wake-up call. I wish we didn't give that first down payment on the subs.

 

[Avenger]

And they say Serbia doesn't support the Gay and Lesbian community. Way back in 2007.

 

[Gronk]

Do you even have any living near you? I doubt it. You’re just like @Gronk (did it again, mate)—a virtue-signaling fool. You have no real experience with how tough it can be living near or working with them (and I’m talking about the extreme kind), yet you want to preach to me, spouting far-left rhetoric to paint me as some kind of racist, intolerant, and not "edgy" enough.

I'll give you one thing though at least you and @Gronk, @Comfy the clown, the fake Polish Detective and a few others are consistent halfwits.

Now go and find some more memes or tweets to bolster your position. I always find that amusing.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

 

[the phantom menace]

And they say Serbia doesn't support the Gay and Lesbian community. Way back in 2007.

What do they say about whether you support the Gay and Lesbian community though, based on your posts in this thread about marriage equality...?

 

[Comfy]

And they say Serbia doesn't support the Gay and Lesbian community. Way back in 2007.

no orthos support queers, only handfuls in each why you lie lol

 

[the phantom menace]

Vance being (un)welcomed during the start of his US ski holiday.

JD Vance's visit to Vermont ski resort interrupted by pro-Ukraine demonstrators after Zelenskyy exchange

Over a hundred protesters demonstrated against Vice President JD Vance's visit to Sugarbush Resort in Vermont, less than 24 hours after his tense exchange with President Zelenskyy.

www.foxnews.com

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

Huh? The constitution is here and is quite small - you actually can't change it without specifying what change you are proposing to make (which simply was at Chapter IX clause 129).

Is it a case of people being too stupid to look up that info - in the face of a lot of media and social misinformation, targeted at... perhaps the stupid?

I tried to find detailed (not vague) proposed changes to the constitution prior to voting for the Voice. I couldn't. After asking here if anyone knew where to find them(detailed) and no one could tell me.
Show me the detailed proposals or STFU you dishonest actor.

 

[the phantom menace]

I tried to find detailed (not vague) proposed changes to the constitution prior to voting for the Voice. I couldn't. After asking here if anyone knew where to find them(detailed) and no one could tell me.

I gave them to you, the exact changes to the Constitution that the referendum was about - via the second link in the very post you just quoted.

It's the Constitution - so it's not a long document, and hence the proposed changes weren't very long or detailed either. the Constitution doesn't or shouldn't contain "detailed" information on any of the aspects of the federal system of government it prescribes - or any of the aspects of the state systems of government it describes.

It just sets them up to be "in scope" of the governments of the day to detail, under the beauty of our democracy.

Show me the detailed proposals or STFU you dishonest actor.

If you're too f**king dumb to understand about the Constitution, how referendums work, or what level of detail is brought to the people in a referendum to change the Constitution - even when the info was and again is being spoon fed to you - then perhaps it's time for dumb actors (or dishonest, if you dispute your lack of grasp) to STFU?

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

I gave them to you, the exact changes to the Constitution that the referendum was about - via the second link in the very post you just quoted.

It's the Constitution - so it's not a long document, and hence the proposed changes weren't very long or detailed either. the Constitution doesn't or shouldn't contain "detailed" information on any of the aspects of the federal system of government it prescribes - or any of the aspects of the state systems of government it describes.

It just sets them up to be "in scope" of the governments of the day to detail, under the beauty of our democracy.

If you're too f**king dumb to understand about the Constitution, how referendums work, or what level of detail is brought to the people in a referendum to change the Constitution - even when the info was and again is being spoon fed to you - then perhaps it's time for dumb actors (or dishonest, if you dispute your lack of grasp) to STFU?

Yeah, your so smart you'd vote for something this vague.

1. there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
2. the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
3. the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.”

Carry on genius.

 

[the phantom menace]

Yeah, your so smart you'd vote for something this vague.

1. there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
2. the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
3. the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.”

Carry on genius.

That's a constitutional change in words, right there. As with everything, detailed policy and further legislation etc come after the Constitution allows for it - in Bills debated before both houses of parliament, according to the MPs and Senators we democratically elect.

This was explained to you at the time, even if you didn't grasp it. A Referendum is not a quest for "details" - it simply affords a change in the Constitution to give the Parliament of the day (and future) the chance to then discuss and make those details, as normal through policies > bills > acts > laws etc.

So because I'm not a dumb or intolerant merkin, of course I voted for it.

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

I gave them to you, the exact changes to the Constitution that the referendum was about - via the second link in the very post you just quoted.

It's the Constitution - so it's not a long document, and hence the proposed changes weren't very long or detailed either. the Constitution doesn't or shouldn't contain "detailed" information on any of the aspects of the federal system of government it prescribes - or any of the aspects of the state systems of government it describes.

It just sets them up to be "in scope" of the governments of the day to detail, under the beauty of our democracy.

If you're too f**king dumb to understand about the Constitution, how referendums work, or what level of detail is brought to the people in a referendum to change the Constitution - even when the info was and again is being spoon fed to you - then perhaps it's time for dumb actors (or dishonest, if you dispute your lack of grasp) to STFU?

Yeah, your so smart you'd vote for something this vague.

1. there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
2. the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
3. the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.”

Carry on genius.

That's a constitutional change in words, right there. As with everything, detailed policy and further legislation etc come after the Constitution allows for it - in Bills debated before both houses of parliament, according to the MPs and Senators we democratically elect.

This was explained to you at the time, even if you didn't grasp it. A Referendum is not a quest for "details" - it simply affords a change in the Constitution to give the Parliament of the day (and future) the chance to then discuss and make those details, as normal through policies > bills > acts > laws etc.

So because I'm not a dumb or intolerant merkin, of course I voted for it.

Firstly I'm only intolerant to Indians and Sri Lankans. I have my reasons for this.
I respect and admire Aboriginal peoples and their customs. I'm welcome any time at Wreck Bay down the coast and have been invited to share a large sea turtle with Aborigines in Cairns. I can assure you not many Aboriginals from Wrecky voted for it.

Secondly, if you don't see the potential for some kind of erosion to the democratic process through those changes then you're blind.

What is stopping having Aboriginal people making submissions to parliament to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.” right now?

The answer is nothing.

You told me this idea was created at some tree in NT in 2017. I found (but sadly no longer can) on the UN website where these laws were requested by the UN in 2006.

Carry on you tolerant genius.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Why does Stoppa only turn up every couple of weeks and inevitably end up in a slinging match?

 

[Suitman]

Firstly I'm only intolerant to Indians and Sri Lankans. I have my reasons for this.

That's an interesting comment.

I respect and admire Aboriginal peoples and their customs. I'm welcome any time at Wreck Bay

That's also interesting. So do I.
The Wreck Bay community isn't actually publicly accessible any more like it was when I was a kid and our family used to go fishing there while holidaying in Huskisson. Amateur fishing at best with a hired tinny.
I've tried access over the past few years while holidaying over summer, and it is now a gated community.
I'm not trying to be smart. Can you explain why it now is inaccessible ? I'm genuinely just curious.

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

That's an interesting comment.


That's also interesting. So do I.
The Wreck Bay community isn't actually publicly accessible any more like it was when I was a kid and our family used to go fishing there while holidaying in Huskisson. Amateur fishing at best with a hired tinny.
I've tried access over the past few years while holidaying over summer, and it is now a gated community.
I'm not trying to be smart. Can you explain why it now is inaccessible ? I'm genuinely just curious.

Do you want the official reason or the real reason. There is something going on down there.
They told some truths the Gov weren't happy about and it's my personal opinion the Gov are punishing them in return.

Community says its voice has been ignored in multi-million-dollar PFAS settlement

The federal government has been accused of failing to listen to the voice of a First Nation's community on the NSW South Coast after failing to settle a PFAS contamination claim.

www.abc.net.au

I'll make some calls and get the goss from the community there and report back. I've not been down there for some time.

 

[Suitman]

Do you want the official reason or the real reason.

I don't really care which reason you come up with.
As I said, I'm just curious to know why that community is now shut off.
It is such a beautiful place, with a beautiful beach.
It just seemed weird to me that it is now no longer accessible to the general public.

 

[JohnStoppafarty]

Wreck Bay is and always has been a closed community. It's considered that any non resident entering there without an invite to do so is acting impolitely and may have this pointed out to them by a member of the community.

Is the gate you refer to on Wreck Bay road or the road down to Summercloud boatramp?
Out of curiosity, where did you hire the boat from?

 

[strider]

Oh look ... Albo gets his own puff piece with Karl on 60 Minutes.

Who would have imagined they would do one for both of them.

Oh well. One less thing to sook about being biased.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Oh look ... Albo gets his own puff piece with Karl on 60 Minutes.

Who would have imagined they would do one for both of them.

Oh well. One less thing to sook about being biased.

Albo has been a busy man recently.

Been on about 3 cricket podcasts, 60 mins with Karl.

Played a charity game of cricket for the Wippa & Flippa show & other celebrites last week at Kirribilli house.

Just waiting for him to appear on Kenty's new show this week to talk rugby league.