What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

OT: Match Fixing

Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
77,719
Since when do the cops come out and broadcast what they propose to investigate and leave the world hanging with inuendo?

I don't blame Manly for being pissed.

As I said before, they only reason I can think of them going public now is to prevent further shenanigans going down. Why else go public now ?
 

84 Baby

Referee
Messages
29,822
Since when do the cops come out and broadcast what they propose to investigate and leave the world hanging with inuendo?

I don't blame Manly for being pissed.

As I said before, they only reason I can think of them going public now is to prevent further shenanigans going down. Why else go public now ?
No one plays the papers like the cops. Ask this guy

the-wire-season-5-image-dominic-west.jpg
 
Messages
42,876
Greenberg with his solemn tone and sincere fish eyes being 'strong' again.

So it's a blanket ban for life for anyone involved in any way with match fixing? The 20 year old kid who was persuaded to do it by the senior player who organised it and has done it several times get the same punishment? And anyone who might have been involved and was willing to speak up now knows to keep their mouth shut. Good stuff, Todd. Way to think it through.
 

Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
77,719
NRL wants access to players’ phone and bank accounts

The NRL is ready to respond to the growing threat of match-fixing by pushing to beef up its powers to gain access to phone and financial records as part of negotiations with the players’ union over a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Australian understands NRL officials are keen to strengthen their ability to investigate allegations and plan to speak to the Rugby League Players Association about widening their powers when talks begin over the CBA later this month.

Plans to address the issue come as the code finds itself in the grip of a crisis centring around two games involving Manly last season. It has been alleged that up to six players were paid $50,000 apiece to affect the outcome of the games, prompting the NSW organised crime squad to take a closer look as they determine the veracity of the claims. The NRL is understandably concerned.

“One of the outcomes of this process will be an examination of our rules with regards to sports betting, and our ability to track it, monitor it and enforce our rules,” an NRL spokesman said.

“That will form part of discussions with the RLPA over time.”

The issue threatens to become the first bone of contention between the NRL and the players. While the RLPA is open to the idea of limiting mobile phone use in dressing rooms and stepping up security around the players, it is understood they are reluctant to give the NRL sweeping powers to access private information.

“Any proposals to broaden the powers of governing bodies in sport should take into consideration the fundamental rights of athletes,” RLPA chief executive Ian Prendergast said.

“Further controls around the conduct of players and officials should also be balanced with investing further in them as people based on the expectations of them in their roles to ensure they are empowered and supported to make ethical decisions.

“Clearly this is an extremely complex area, but we are determined to use the experiences of players and administrators across international sport to ensure we work with the NRL to deliver best practice protection for our members and the game.

“The players’ association will do all it can to assist in this fight.”

Prendergast also revealed he had spoken to the NRL about threats to hand out life bans to those found guilty of match-fixing. The RLPA’s concern is that the threat of a life ban would preclude players coming forward with information which would help the NRL weed out fixers.

“Match-fixing is a serious criminal activity that involves international organised criminal networks,” Prendergast said.

“It is sad and disappointing that these groups see sport as a target to make money but it is a reality and we must now deal with it. Corruption is a risk to all sport, not just rugby league.

“We must continue to evolve the education and empowerment delivered to those at the heart of the game, particularly players, and work with government and law enforcement agencies to do all we can to protect our sport.

“We must have the support of the police and various government agencies that are best placed to deal with international criminal networks. Players are the best resource in the fight against corruption. History in other international sports has shown how important it is for players to not feel alienated. Players and officials must absolutely be accountable for their actions. But we have flagged with the NRL our concerns about proposed blanket life bans if it means we miss out on crucial information about potentially illegal activities.

“Penalties must take into account the need for people to come forward and tell us what’s going on. Education and empowerment of players is critical so they understand the risks, how to avoid them and where to get the right support and advice.”

The investigation comes at a pivotal time in Manly’s season, with the club battling to maintain pace with the top eight and struggling under a mounting injury told. The club yesterday confirmed a slew of injuries in the lead-up to Sunday’s game against Penrith at Brookvale Oval, continuing a wretched run for a club which has been dragged though the mud in recent days off the field.

Halfback Daly Cherry-Evans is expected to miss four weeks with an ankle problem while Steve Matai’s future is in doubt after the club reported he was out indefinitely with a neck problem.

Matai has been troubled by neck issues in the past but sources told The Australian he was intent on continuing his career. However, he is facing further surgery if he is to do so. Adding insult to injury, the club was yesterday forced to abandon its training base after the facility was flooded in the Sydney storms.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/1538f102fa99b7cf958e9190f207a735
 

Chipmunk

Coach
Messages
17,379
That is laughable. I don't see the NRL getting access to players phone and bank accounts in a million years.

The NRL would still only ever get access to the phone's and bank accounts that the players tell them about. There would be nothing stopping a player having other phones and bank accounts that they don't tell the NRL about and there is little to no way that the NRL would be able to find out if the player had other phones or bank accounts.

Contrary to the NRL's self-belief, they're not the Tax Office or a Law Enforcement Body.
 
Messages
12,177
Contrary to the NRL's self-belief, they're not the Tax Office or a Law Enforcement Body.

as any parra fan would know over the last 3 months the nrl can move the goalposts whenever they feel like it so in theory tomorrow they could come out with a new rule requiring access to player phone & betting records under threat of deregistration which would trigger superleague mark 2
 
Last edited:
Messages
19,393
as any parra fan would know over the last 3 months the nrl can move the goalposts whenever they feel like it so in theory tomorrow they could come out with a new rule requiring access to player phone & betting records under threat of deregistration which would trigger superleague mark 2

No they can't. Unless the player, or the player's appointed bargaining rep (the PA) agree, the NRL cannot demand to see your bank or tax records.
 

Chipmunk

Coach
Messages
17,379
as any parra fan would know over the last 3 months the nrl can move the goalposts whenever they feel like it so in theory tomorrow they could come out with a new rule requiring access to player phone & betting records under threat of deregistration which would trigger superleague mark 2

What my argument was saying is that even if ALL players agreed to provide bank account and phone records, etc. to the NRL, they would still only get access to the bank and phone details that the player wanted to tell the NRL about. If the player wanted to have another bank account and phone and not tell the NRL, how would the NRL know or ever be able to find out about it?
 
Messages
42,876
How do you even approach six players to throw a game, let alone get them to agree to it, without getting the whistle blown? They were still in the finals race for the first game at least.
 

Noise

Coach
Messages
18,191
How do you even approach six players to throw a game, let alone get them to agree to it, without getting the whistle blown? They were still in the finals race for the first game at least.

I'd say one player gets approached and he throws it out to his close team mates he thinks might be up for it. And no one takes the minutes or records the meetings :sarcasm:
 
Messages
42,876
I'd say one player gets approached and he throws it out to his close team mates he thinks might be up for it. And no one takes the minutes or records the meetings :sarcasm:

It would have to be something like that but it's still incredibly risky.
 
Messages
19,393
If anything happened at all, I'd bet more on it being some bloke talking out his arse. But if there's more to it, I don't think the money actually went 'on'.


How you would get set for wagers of sufficient size to cover the rumoured outlay on players, and not make someone notice is beyond me. The total amount bet on the line in the NRL is not massive, and even if you channeled your bets through SPs, those guys would lay off some of the risk through the legal bookies. At the very least, it would be tricky. And the more silly buggers you play in an attempt to get set the bigger the chance that someone smells a rat.

Interesting to see what happens.
 
Messages
42,876
If anything happened at all, I'd bet more on it being some bloke talking out his arse. But if there's more to it, I don't think the money actually went 'on'.


How you would get set for wagers of sufficient size to cover the rumoured outlay on players, and not make someone notice is beyond me. The total amount bet on the line in the NRL is not massive, and even if you channeled your bets through SPs, those guys would lay off some of the risk through the legal bookies. At the very least, it would be tricky. And the more silly buggers you play in an attempt to get set the bigger the chance that someone smells a rat.

Interesting to see what happens.

An article mentioned that about 1 million is bet on the Monday game, which is the biggest, with the tab. And that is the game, not just the line. Yet the claim was a 500k bet and an attempted 200k bet.

Does sound like someone talking out of their arse.
 
Messages
19,393
An article mentioned that about 1 million is bet on the Monday game, which is the biggest, with the tab. And that is the game, not just the line. Yet the claim was a 500k bet and an attempted 200k bet.

Does sound like someone talking out of their arse.

Yeh, some of the other major possibly hold more than the TAB, but........some of the wagers involve one bookie laying off with another. So even if 5 bookies tell you they've taken $1m on a game, that doesn't mean that $5m of punters money is 'on'.


I'm not saying that these clowns didn't consider trying something, but I'm not convinced it got very far.
 

Bigfella

Coach
Messages
10,102
The other issue is that the outlay becomes massive if the claimed 6 x 50k to players is true. You then need to have a bet of at least 500k to make that worthwhile. At that stage you have outlaid 800k to collect 950k.

If you can't get your 500 on you are rooted.

And then what happens if the eleven blokes you haven't paid play out of their arse? The ones who are trying to lose probably get hooked if they keep having shockers.

What if one of the opposition players gets sent off In the first ten minutes you probably do your 800 cold.

You'd be better off just having a straight bet in the first place
 
Messages
42,876
Yeah, the numbers don't stack up. A huge outlay for a relatively small win. With big risk. And as you say, you may not even get your bet on. And all the evidence for this seems to come from one person afaik.
 

Latest posts

Top