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OT: Pokies -Tougher times ahead

Gronk

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Pokies clampdown will hit jobs, warn venues

BRIAN ROBINS

January 4, 2010
NSW clubs and hotels have warned they will be forced to lay off hundreds of staff if the Federal Government adopts recommendations aimed at imposing further controls on gambling.
The warnings follow criticism by the NSW Government of the recommendations, which have been put forward by the Productivity Commission. The recommendations suggest tightening controls over gambling at existing venues while at the same time opening the way for more online gambling.
South Sydney Juniors is one of the clubs opposing the plans. It says the proposed betting limits alone would have a ''devastating'' impact on jobs at the club.
The Productivity Commission issued a report late last year with a large number of proposed limits on the gambling industry. More recently, there have been a series of public hearings and submissions in response to its recommendations.
The State Government has told the commission the proposed $1 betting limit, compared with the present $10 limit which has been in place for more than 20 years, would ''have a significant impact on the viability of NSW clubs and hotels,'' the NSW Minister for Gaming and Racing, Kevin Greene, said in a letter to the commission.
Similar warnings were made over the liberalisation of controls for internet gambling. The commission has called for ''managed liberalisation'', indicating that it would not be worthwhile seeking to maintain controls on gambling in this area, given the continued growth of the internet.
''Internet gaming has the potential for exponential growth and without proper regulation it could pose serious problems to society and problem gamblers,'' the State Government warned the commission.
Clubs NSW forecasts that the recommendations would cut club revenues by 30 per cent, forcing at least 190 to close, resulting in hundreds of job losses.
The impact could be far worse, since the restrictions would worsen the financial viability of nearly all clubs, with severe ramifications for the role of clubs in the community, reducing their social and sporting roles.
In its submission to the Productivity Commission, South Sydney Juniors warned that the proposed $1 betting limit alone would cost the club $7.8 million in lost revenues annually, after taxes.
''We would need to make significant reductions to staffing levels, levels of commitment to junior sport in the area, mainly Junior Rugby League, and levels of entertainment that we provide,'' the club wrote.
''Given that we employ around 350 people with a wage expense of around $11 million per year, the impact on our local community with regard to employment would be devastating.''
The commission put forward a host of proposals, such as cutting cash payments down to $250 from the present $2000 limit, banning ATMs from all venues and increasing the present shutdown limit for poker machines from six hours a day. None of the proposals have been subject to any study or scrutiny.
Critics of the commission's report also pointed out that two of the 10 terms of reference put forward by the Federal Government require measuring the positive contribution from gambling, such as employment, community facilities and taxation, but these were not addressed in the report.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/pokies-clampdown-will-hit-jobs-warn-venues-20100103-lndh.html
 

Maroubra Eel

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That's terrible that betting limits will cut gamblers losses on pokies.

Maybe league shouldn't be so reliant on the stupid machines.
 

Delboy

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We are dead set a nanny state, what is wrong with people taking responsibilty for their own actions.

40kmh around schools when you don't see anyone, and the rest of the limitations, see what you get when the trendies get into parliament.

Bob Carr led the way, and now we are all being led by the nose.
 

Kornstar

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We are dead set a nanny state, what is wrong with people taking responsibilty for their own actions.

40kmh around schools when you don't see anyone, and the rest of the limitations, see what you get when the trendies get into parliament.

Bob Carr led the way, and now we are all being led by the nose.

Exactly, if you know you are going to gamble and lose your week's wage in 1 night, don't go out or don't take all your money and keycard! It is pretty simple.

Why should a business suffer because people are not able to control themselves?

Does anyone have to take any responsibility these days?
 

Western_Eel

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Pokies are sh*t anyways couldnt care less, if anything its a good thing, it means the clubs will focus on the footy more!
 

Maroubra Eel

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Pokies are sh*t. After working ten years at the casino I have seen lives wrecked by them, and that's not only the lives of the people who play them and can't control themselves bit also their families too.
 

Stagger eel

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I'm now glad we have a club who prepared to roll up their sleeves and counteract this issues with other forms of revenue rather than use their own club to politicise the situation.
 
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I'm now glad we have a club who prepared to roll up their sleeves and counteract this issues with other forms of revenue rather than use their own club to politicise the situation.
can you imagine the headlines right now if fitzy was still in charge?

i've always been a bit conflicted at having pokies in the leagues club i know the money raised goes to help the team and local charities but there is a high cost behind it what about the people whose lives have been destroyed by gambling addiction?
 

parra pete

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That's right.....Spot on Muzz...They told me I had until February to renew, but it won't make any difference. I've made my mind up...
Best part I can just sit on the sideline and sling sh*t now...!!!!! All care, no responsibility...It was in good hands when I left...
 
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parrap

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parra leagues is 98% reliant on gaming revenue, any changes in gaming legislation will cripple the leagues club.

be careful what you wish for parra fans.
 
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See the problem here is that, in my opinion some people are missing the big picture and are holding on to a notion that Membership will be our savior, if the Leagues Club were to ever fall, if the Leagues club could not manage to put in a single cent, then memberships, which were much maligned by the old administration would save the day.

The maths on that is wrong, purely, simply, wrong.

From the seating figures at Parramatta stadium, if we were to get the entire venue sold up as members. That is not a single seat for sale for any opposition or casual Parramatta fans, 21,487 Members, the clubs revenue from that is a tick over 5.1 Million dollars.

Then you have to counter that with the costs of hire for the stadium. Taking Mr Libertini's numbers which were discussed with Suity and I after the AGM, which indeed are numbers we have heard from various sources in previous administrations, you need to get Parramatta Stadium, approximately 33% full before you make a profit. You need approximately 7000 members across all membership groups before the club makes a single cent after stadium Hire each year.

I have taken each seating type, and then taken 33% of those and translated that into Membership numbers, and then membership revenues. These figures will not be completely accurate, but they point to a cost of about $1.68 Million to hire the venue per year. That indeed might be on the cheep side considering the discount members receive and that I have taken evenly from all 5 seating types.

Last time I checked, the leagues club was tipping in more than $6 million a year, indeed going into the notional red to pay its way.

But if that is the case then memberships could only fill at a Maximum a black hole of $3.4 million to the club. Now I know people also felt Parramatta were well undersold on sponsorship revenue, but you are talking about an increase of 2.6 Million in sponsorship. I honestly don't think we were that undersold.

But hey at least we arn't publicising the situation at the moment, we can sit home happy and concentrate on believeing that we could acheive the seemingly impossible to ensure our club is free of this issue.
 
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See the problem here is that, in my opinion some people are missing the big picture and are holding on to a notion that Membership will be our savior, if the Leagues Club were to ever fall, if the Leagues club could not manage to put in a single cent, then memberships, which were much maligned by the old administration would save the day.

The maths on that is wrong, purely, simply, wrong.

From the seating figures at Parramatta stadium, if we were to get the entire venue sold up as members. That is not a single seat for sale for any opposition or casual Parramatta fans, 21,487 Members, the clubs revenue from that is a tick over 5.1 Million dollars.

Then you have to counter that with the costs of hire for the stadium. Taking Mr Libertini's numbers which were discussed with Suity and I after the AGM, which indeed are numbers we have heard from various sources in previous administrations, you need to get Parramatta Stadium, approximately 33% full before you make a profit. You need approximately 7000 members across all membership groups before the club makes a single cent after stadium Hire each year.

I have taken each seating type, and then taken 33% of those and translated that into Membership numbers, and then membership revenues. These figures will not be completely accurate, but they point to a cost of about $1.68 Million to hire the venue per year. That indeed might be on the cheep side considering the discount members receive and that I have taken evenly from all 5 seating types.

Last time I checked, the leagues club was tipping in more than $6 million a year, indeed going into the notional red to pay its way.

But if that is the case then memberships could only fill at a Maximum a black hole of $3.4 million to the club. Now I know people also felt Parramatta were well undersold on sponsorship revenue, but you are talking about an increase of 2.6 Million in sponsorship. I honestly don't think we were that undersold.

But hey at least we arn't publicising the situation at the moment, we can sit home happy and concentrate on believeing that we could acheive the seemingly impossible to ensure our club is free of this issue.

How much do we get from the NRL each year?

I would think this is a major source of income ... well it SHOULD be except Gallop has continually undersold the game.

And generally NRL sponsorships are massively undersold (when you compare to AFL)
 
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