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OT: The Ashes

hineyrulz

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:lol: Great day for us, just think we were shot ducks at 6 for 130.

If Johnson was a racehorse he'd be swabbed.
 
TheParraboy

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best we get all out for around 200

give the poms 350 odd , poms will defend thinking the rain will save them
 
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Spent too long bouncing the tail. With our batting lineup and the potential weather the result could hinge on the difference between a lead of 160 and 190.
 
Barry O'Speedwagon

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Spent too long bouncing the tail. With our batting lineup and the potential weather the result could hinge on the difference between a lead of 160 and 190.
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Disagree I'm sorry.....easy to say in retrospect, but that's how they got rid of much of the tail (and middle order). I think they stuck to a plan quite well, which allowed them to set a field appropriately. Do you seriously want to complain about bowling England out for 130 odd, in 52 overs?
 
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The bouncing was fine I reckon

Establishing dominance and we had half a chance of injuring blokes

Good selecting, good captaincy, great bowling and catching today. Excellent work by the openers to capitalize too. Another test tomorrow with the bat. Last few series we've not only taken the foot of the throat we've managed to ram it down our own and choke horribly from positions like this

Definitely a better vibe around the team. More positive for sure
 
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Bigfella said:
The bouncing was fine I reckon

Establishing dominance and we had half a chance of injuring blokes

Good selecting, good captaincy, great bowling and catching today. Excellent work by the openers to capitalize too. Another test tomorrow with the bat. Last few series we've not only taken the foot of the throat we've managed to ram it down our own and choke horribly from positions like this

Definitely a better vibe around the team. More positive for sure
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Too right. The way tail Enders bat these days, and the extra runs numbers 9,10 & 11 put on more often than not, who's to say who is a bunny, and who can actually hold their own at the crease. The argue meant from the Pommy commentators "that it's just not cricket", just sounded like sour grapes.

My biggest concern is that there's still 3 days left. If we get rolled by tea, 400 ahead, I still think the poms can run us down.
 
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so you still think we needed 350?
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The pitch is a belter, both sides batting has been piss poor. Especially Enlgand. not that i'm complaining but losing 6 for 9 on a pitch without any demons is terrible. Warner and Rogers showed what a good wicket it is.

And i agree with Bigfella i have no problem with the way we went after their tail, it's the sort of thing McGrath did when we finally beat the Windies in 95. Hopefuly we get through to lunch only 1 or 2 down then after lunch we put the foot down and get the Poms in after tea.
 
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hineyrulz said:
The pitch is a belter, both sides batting has been piss poor. Especially Enlgand. not that i'm complaining but losing 6 for 9 on a pitch without any demons is terrible. Warner and Rogers showed what a good wicket it is.
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As I said *before* England batted, while the pitch is true, it has significant bounce which helps the quicks and the spinners alike (see both of LYon's wickets)....it hasn't been a 'belter' in the truest sense of the word. At least thus far it is has been a pitch on which new batsmen will be vulnerable for a little while (and I'm not making this up after the fact.....it is what I pointed out at the end of day 1). It is the sort of pitch on which both big partnerships can develop, but wickets can also fall in clumps. Now, as the pitch ages that steep bounce will become less pronounced and the wicket will lose pace....so batting will be at its best for days 3 -4. Doesn't mean wickets won't fall....both teams have pretty decent attacks.
 
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Englands negative batting bit it in the arse, didn't try and score and the presssure just built. We bowled well yesterday but their are no tremors in the pitch. A bit of bounce Barry but nothing outrageous, the pitch quickened up yesterday it always does but most of the wickets were due to poor batting IMO. Same as Australia's top order on day 1.
 
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Barry O'Speedwagon

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hineyrulz said:
Englands negative batting bit it in the arse, didn't try and score and the presssure just built. We bowled well yesterday but their are no tremors in the pitch. A bit of bounce Barry but nothing outrageous, the pitch quickened up yesterday it always does but most of the wickets were due to poor batting IMO. Same as Australia's top order on day 1.
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Didn't say the bounce is outrageous (though it is clearly above average). I pointed out that bounce makes it more likely that new batsmen actually get out to the good balls the come their way early in their innings, and that with good quality bowlers you get a few of those. Pietersen played a bad unnecessary shot, no doubt. The rest were pretty standard Test dismissals I thought (and I watched). As in basically all innings in the history of test cricket, some batsmen get out to shot they needn't have played, or uneccessarily hit the ball in the air. It's not always the ball that gets you out that is the best one you faced....that's rarely how top grade cricket works.....getting out to poor shots is very often the result of pressure built up by good bowling that sticks to a strategy and has field settings that back the strategy up.

You only have to look back as far as the last Brisbane Ashes test to see that around 300 was not necessarily a bad first innings score (England got rolled for less than that in 2010, but came back strongly in the third innings when the pitch slowed).
 
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